I'm inclined to favor "Braid" over Limber (however you want to spell it) because I can think of too many puns associated with Limber and the first thing that comes to mind, for me, is cheese that smells.
I don't remember how to pronounce "Borja" and while English always seems to dominate, English-speaks will most likely pronounce it Boar-JA and a few will go with Boar-YA or Boar-HA. So there will probably always be a need for correction. While "Apache Royale" has a nice ring to it for me, I think "Braid" has the right feel. You get things intertwined for a purpose, things in a pattern, strands woven together, that sort of thing. "Braid" also brings to mind "Helix". I haven't looked to see if there are any projects that use "Helix" which I'm sure there are. And if so, maybe "Felix" to give a nod back to Flex along with the helix. —peter On 9/19/17, 2:59 PM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote: >I am not an expert, but AIUI, trademarks are intended to avoid confusion >in a marketplace. There are lots of products named Flex, such as cars, >diabetes testing kits, and more. There are even other software products >called Flex and we need to consider whether it confuses potential >customers about what Flex is being talked about. > >Mostly, we will use the term "Apache <ProjectName>" instead of just ><ProjectName> when publishing things, but later in those documents we'll >probably just refer to it as <ProjectName>. > >So, IMO, having other projects on GitHub called Braids isn't a deal killer >and your link [1] probably won't cause confusion. I was more concerned >about the Braids project related to Tensor-flow as Tensor-flow might >become the new hot thing in software in general and if that Braids took >off lots of mentions of Braids would be about that. There is also a >Braids "static staging compiler" for TypeScript. > >That's why I'm concerned about Royale when there is a GitHub project >called Royale that is a "A React-esque framework for Javascript". Think >of it this way. If you did a search on GitHub for our project name and >didn't realize we were associated with Apache, would you click on one of >these other project instead, and how long would it take you to realize it >wasn't the right one? If you go try to sell writing an app in Royale and >a competitor has proposed writing it in React with the other GitHub >Royale, will that be confusing to your client? > >I wrote to trademarks@ to see if they are similarly concerned. They don't >always respond right away. If they are not concerned, I will probably >vote for Royale just so we have a name for tomorrow. > >HTH, >-Alex > >On 9/19/17, 11:43 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>I checked Braid on github and found [1]. It was quite popular - can we >>just >>grab that name - I still do not understand fully those trademarks >>implications. >> >>[1] >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.c >>o >>m%2Fcristibalan%2Fbraid&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5ebf232812004352ad0108d4ff8e4f1 >>7 >>%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636414434060882785&sdata=A6 >>I >>IL4SNYWP2XFTvOife92gA1t8Km4E%2Fr7QpvQ3B3mI%3D&reserved=0 >> >>2017-09-19 20:38 GMT+02:00 Kessler CTR Mark J >><mark.kessler....@usmc.mil>: >> >>> Apache Bob... >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Harbs [mailto:harbs.li...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:20 PM >>> To: dev@flex.apache.org >>> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork >>> >>> Ick… >>> >>> Why do these things have to be so complicated? ;-) >>> >>> Harbs >>> >>> > On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> >>>wrote: >>> > >>> > There are any number of meanings for boja in many languages with and >>> without diacritics. >>> > >>> > >>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.m.wi >>>k >>>tionary.org%2Fwiki%2Fboja&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5ebf232812004352ad0108d4ff8e >>>4 >>>f17%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636414434060882785&sdat >>>a >>>=IObJoB2mvH3y8iHRBlUvDSDBXiTXitc2FPR1tPHKQ1o%3D&reserved=0 >>> > >>> > Sent from my iPhone >>> > >>> >> On Sep 19, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Andrew Wetmore <cottag...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> I can think of three ways* to pronounce "bo-ja" without even >>>resorting >>> to a >>> >> South African "click" language. This makes it a challenge to refer >>>to >>> the >>> >> product to anyone who does not already use it. >>> >> >>> >> *bodja, booya, boha. >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Piotr Zarzycki < >>> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Om, >>> >>> >>> >>> No offend :) That is why it is so hard to choose ;) I think "bo-ja" >>>is >>> the >>> >>> closes to how I pronounce it. :) >>> >>> >>> >>> Piotr >>> >>> >>> >>> 2017-09-19 19:31 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala >>><bigosma...@gmail.com>: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Boja is one name I really dislike. Sorry Piotr😕 >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Also I dont know how to pronounce it. Is it Bo-ha, or boo-ha or >>>bo-ja, >>> >>> etc? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Sep 19, 2017 10:09 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" >>><piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com >>> > >>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> Reading Alex in VOTE thread and how many times we are mentioning >>>Boja >>> >>> - I >>> >>>>> will change my VOTE. Limbr is a bit dangerous having Dave's >>>finding. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Piotr >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> 2017-09-19 18:41 GMT+02:00 Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com>: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> FWIW, I think Limbr is another good spelling. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Alex Harui >>><aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> >>> >>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> We don't have time for another vote thread. We need to close >>>down >>> >>>> the >>> >>>>>>> vote tonight or early tomorrow morning. So, if you are ok with >>> >>>> Limber >>> >>>>>>> (still not clear it will win, please state objections to using >>> >>> Limbyr >>> >>>>> as >>> >>>>>>> the spelling. It is true a unique spelling stand out from >>>search >>> >>>>>> results, >>> >>>>>>> but first, you have to remember how to spell it, and my spell >>> >>> checker >>> >>>>> is >>> >>>>>>> constantly changing. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> -Alex >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On 9/19/17, 5:05 AM, "Kessler CTR Mark J" < >>> >>> mark.kessler....@usmc.mil >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> If limber wins, a simple discussion thread should resolve >>>letter >>> >>>>> changes >>> >>>>>>>> to the name. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> -Mark K >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>>>>>>> From: Piotr Zarzycki [mailto:piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com] >>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:52 AM >>> >>>>>>>> To: dev@flex.apache.org >>> >>>>>>>> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS >>>Fork >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> It has advantage of having the name which do not exist on >>>github. >>> >>>> Let >>> >>>>>> say >>> >>>>>>>> that Limber with win in the voting - We probably have to open >>> >>>> another >>> >>>>>> VOTE >>> >>>>>>>> to have "Limbyr" - Which I like personally. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Is it enough that PMCs agreed here with changing Limber to >>>Limbyr >>> >>>>> here ? >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, Piotr >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> -- >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Piotr Zarzycki >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> mobile: +48 880 859 557 <+48%20880%20859%20557> >>> >>>>> skype: zarzycki10 >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> LinkedIn: >>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.link >>>e >>>din.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5ebf232812004352ad0108d4ff8e4f >>>1 >>>7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636414434060882785&sdata= >>>X >>>nzDov8knSVIq4xA3PwxgeWYX6V%2Bhu0unihcgNTwLA8%3D&reserved=0 >>> >>>>> >>><https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpl.lin >>>k >>>edin.com%2Fin%2Fpiotr-zarzycki-92a53552&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5ebf2328120043 >>>5 >>>2ad0108d4ff8e4f17%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636414434 >>>0 >>>60882785&sdata=yFrI2bSLhV70ap8F70z%2BJ1Jr5WeG%2Bb0Wb9WPJi8JZuc%3D&reserv >>>e >>>d=0> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> Piotr Zarzycki >>> >>> >>> >>> mobile: +48 880 859 557 >>> >>> skype: zarzycki10 >>> >>> >>> >>> LinkedIn: >>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.link >>>e >>>din.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5ebf232812004352ad0108d4ff8e4f >>>1 >>>7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636414434060882785&sdata= >>>X >>>nzDov8knSVIq4xA3PwxgeWYX6V%2Bhu0unihcgNTwLA8%3D&reserved=0 >>> >>> >>><https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpl.lin >>>k >>>edin.com%2Fin%2Fpiotr-zarzycki-92a53552&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5ebf2328120043 >>>5 >>>2ad0108d4ff8e4f17%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636414434 >>>0 >>>61039038&sdata=K4zUhZQ2OUR05E0tVkElvvyrq0rOn7LDP4djYkGzfDo%3D&reserved=0 >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Andrew Wetmore >>> >> >>> >> >>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcottage1 >>>4 >>>.blogspot.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5ebf232812004352ad0108d4ff8e4f17%7Cfa >>>7 >>>b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636414434061039038&sdata=vLmMCIr >>>N >>>DxlysOX9wp0qMidTZ9UXR%2BrgNdG5cFMqa6g%3D&reserved=0 >>> >>> >> >> >>-- >> >>Piotr Zarzycki >> >>mobile: +48 880 859 557 >>skype: zarzycki10 >> >>LinkedIn: >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linke >>d >>in.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5ebf232812004352ad0108d4ff8e4f17 >>% >>7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636414434061039038&sdata=9%2 >>B >>h1gjQgJF%2BlQpIWnPzWzsDGh%2F2AyxfmYIxGKrl9g9w%3D&reserved=0 >><https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpl.link >>e >>din.com%2Fin%2Fpiotr-zarzycki-92a53552&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5ebf232812004352 >>a >>d0108d4ff8e4f17%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636414434061 >>0 >>39038&sdata=K4zUhZQ2OUR05E0tVkElvvyrq0rOn7LDP4djYkGzfDo%3D&reserved=0> >
