The cause of the issue is all but clear.

Previously I had mentioned that there is no suspect change to the Kinesis
connector and that I had reverted the AWS SDK change to no effect.

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-17496 actually fixed another
regression in the previous release and is present before and after.

I repeated the run with 1.11.0 core and downgraded the entire Kinesis
connector to 1.10.1: Nothing changes, i.e. the regression is still present.
Therefore we will need to look elsewhere for the root cause.

Regarding the time spent in snapshotState, repeat runs reveal a wide range
for both versions, 1.10 and 1.11. So again this is nothing pointing to a
root cause.

At this point, I have no ideas remaining other than doing a bisect to find
the culprit. Any other suggestions?

Thomas


On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 9:19 PM Zhijiang <wangzhijiang...@aliyun.com.invalid>
wrote:

> Hi Thomas,
>
> Thanks for your further profiling information and glad to see we already
> finalized the location to cause the regression.
> Actually I was also suspicious of the point of #snapshotState in previous
> discussions since it indeed cost much time to block normal operator
> processing.
>
> Based on your below feedback, the sleep time during #snapshotState might
> be the main concern, and I also digged into the implementation of
> FlinkKinesisProducer#snapshotState.
> while (producer.getOutstandingRecordsCount() > 0) {
>    producer.flush();
>    try {
>       Thread.sleep(500);
>    } catch (InterruptedException e) {
>       LOG.warn("Flushing was interrupted.");
>       break;
>    }
> }
> It seems that the sleep time is mainly affected by the internal operations
> inside KinesisProducer implementation provided by amazonaws, which I am not
> quite familiar with.
> But I noticed there were two upgrades related to it in release-1.11.0. One
> is for upgrading amazon-kinesis-producer to 0.14.0 [1] and another is for
> upgrading aws-sdk-version to 1.11.754 [2].
> You mentioned that you already reverted the SDK upgrade to verify no
> changes. Did you also revert the [1] to verify?
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-17496
> [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-14881
>
> Best,
> Zhijiang
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> From:Thomas Weise <t...@apache.org>
> Send Time:2020年7月17日(星期五) 05:29
> To:dev <dev@flink.apache.org>
> Cc:Zhijiang <wangzhijiang...@aliyun.com>; Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org>;
> Arvid Heise <ar...@ververica.com>; Aljoscha Krettek <aljos...@apache.org>
> Subject:Re: Kinesis Performance Issue (was [VOTE] Release 1.11.0, release
> candidate #4)
>
> Sorry for the delay.
>
> I confirmed that the regression is due to the sink (unsurprising, since
> another job with the same consumer, but not the producer, runs as
> expected).
>
> As promised I did CPU profiling on the problematic application, which gives
> more insight into the regression [1]
>
> The screenshots show that the average time for snapshotState increases from
> ~9s to ~28s. The data also shows the increase in sleep time during
> snapshotState.
>
> Does anyone, based on changes made in 1.11, have a theory why?
>
> I had previously looked at the changes to the Kinesis connector and also
> reverted the SDK upgrade, which did not change the situation.
>
> It will likely be necessary to drill into the sink / checkpointing details
> to understand the cause of the problem.
>
> Let me know if anyone has specific questions that I can answer from the
> profiling results.
>
> Thomas
>
> [1]
>
> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/159IVXQGXabjnYJk3oVm3UP2UW_5G-TGs_u9yzYb030I/edit?usp=sharing
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:14 AM Thomas Weise <t...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > + dev@ for visibility
> >
> > I will investigate further today.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 4:42 AM Aljoscha Krettek <aljos...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 06.07.20 20:39, Stephan Ewen wrote:
> >> >    - Did sink checkpoint notifications change in a relevant way, for
> >> example
> >> > due to some Kafka issues we addressed in 1.11 (@Aljoscha maybe?)
> >>
> >> I think that's unrelated: the Kafka fixes were isolated in Kafka and the
> >> one bug I discovered on the way was about the Task reaper.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 07.07.20 17:51, Zhijiang wrote:
> >> > Sorry for my misunderstood of the previous information, Thomas. I was
> >> assuming that the sync checkpoint duration increased after upgrade as it
> >> was mentioned before.
> >> >
> >> > If I remembered correctly, the memory state backend also has the same
> >> issue? If so, we can dismiss the rocksDB state changes. As the slot
> sharing
> >> enabled, the downstream and upstream should
> >> > probably deployed into the same slot, then no network shuffle effect.
> >> >
> >> > I think we need to find out whether it has other symptoms changed
> >> besides the performance regression to further figure out the scope.
> >> > E.g. any metrics changes, the number of TaskManager and the number of
> >> slots per TaskManager from deployment changes.
> >> > 40% regression is really big, I guess the changes should also be
> >> reflected in other places.
> >> >
> >> > I am not sure whether we can reproduce the regression in our AWS
> >> environment by writing any Kinesis jobs, since there are also normal
> >> Kinesis jobs as Thomas mentioned after upgrade.
> >> > So it probably looks like to touch some corner case. I am very willing
> >> to provide any help for debugging if possible.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Best,
> >> > Zhijiang
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > From:Thomas Weise <t...@apache.org>
> >> > Send Time:2020年7月7日(星期二) 23:01
> >> > To:Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org>
> >> > Cc:Aljoscha Krettek <aljos...@apache.org>; Arvid Heise <
> >> ar...@ververica.com>; Zhijiang <wangzhijiang...@aliyun.com>
> >> > Subject:Re: Kinesis Performance Issue (was [VOTE] Release 1.11.0,
> >> release candidate #4)
> >> >
> >> > We are deploying our apps with FlinkK8sOperator. We have one job that
> >> works as expected after the upgrade and the one discussed here that has
> the
> >> performance regression.
> >> >
> >> > "The performance regression is obvious caused by long duration of sync
> >> checkpoint process in Kinesis sink operator, which would block the
> normal
> >> data processing until back pressure the source."
> >> >
> >> > That's a constant. Before (1.10) and upgrade have the same sync
> >> checkpointing time. The question is what change came in with the
> upgrade.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 7:33 AM Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > @Thomas Just one thing real quick: Are you using the standalone setup
> >> scripts (like start-cluster.sh, and the former "slaves" file) ?
> >> > Be aware that this is now called "workers" because of avoiding
> >> sensitive names.
> >> > In one internal benchmark we saw quite a lot of slowdown initially,
> >> before seeing that the cluster was not a distributed cluster any more
> ;-)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 9:08 AM Zhijiang <wangzhijiang...@aliyun.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Thanks for this kickoff and help analysis, Stephan!
> >> > Thanks for the further feedback and investigation, Thomas!
> >> >
> >> > The performance regression is obvious caused by long duration of sync
> >> checkpoint process in Kinesis sink operator, which would block the
> normal
> >> data processing until back pressure the source.
> >> > Maybe we could dig into the process of sync execution in checkpoint.
> >> E.g. break down the steps inside respective operator#snapshotState to
> >> statistic which operation cost most of the time, then
> >> > we might probably find the root cause to bring such cost.
> >> >
> >> > Look forward to the further progress. :)
> >> >
> >> > Best,
> >> > Zhijiang
> >> >
> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > From:Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org>
> >> > Send Time:2020年7月7日(星期二) 14:52
> >> > To:Thomas Weise <t...@apache.org>
> >> > Cc:Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org>; Zhijiang <
> >> wangzhijiang...@aliyun.com>; Aljoscha Krettek <aljos...@apache.org>;
> >> Arvid Heise <ar...@ververica.com>
> >> > Subject:Re: Kinesis Performance Issue (was [VOTE] Release 1.11.0,
> >> release candidate #4)
> >> >
> >> > Thank you for the digging so deeply.
> >> > Mysterious think this regression.
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 22:56 Thomas Weise <t...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > @Stephan: yes, I refer to sync time in the web UI (it is unchanged
> >> between 1.10 and 1.11 for the specific pipeline).
> >> >
> >> > I verified that increasing the checkpointing interval does not make a
> >> difference.
> >> >
> >> > I looked at the Kinesis connector changes since 1.10.1 and don't see
> >> anything that could cause this.
> >> >
> >> > Another pipeline that is using the Kinesis consumer (but not the
> >> producer) performs as expected.
> >> >
> >> > I tried reverting the AWS SDK version change, symptoms remain
> unchanged:
> >> >
> >> > diff --git a/flink-connectors/flink-connector-kinesis/pom.xml
> >> b/flink-connectors/flink-connector-kinesis/pom.xml
> >> > index a6abce23ba..741743a05e 100644
> >> > --- a/flink-connectors/flink-connector-kinesis/pom.xml
> >> > +++ b/flink-connectors/flink-connector-kinesis/pom.xml
> >> > @@ -33,7 +33,7 @@ under the License.
> >> >
> >> <artifactId>flink-connector-kinesis_${scala.binary.version}</artifactId>
> >> >          <name>flink-connector-kinesis</name>
> >> >          <properties>
> >> > -               <aws.sdk.version>1.11.754</aws.sdk.version>
> >> > +               <aws.sdk.version>1.11.603</aws.sdk.version>
> >> >
> >> <aws.kinesis-kcl.version>1.11.2</aws.kinesis-kcl.version>
> >> >
> >> <aws.kinesis-kpl.version>0.14.0</aws.kinesis-kpl.version>
> >> >
> >>
> <aws.dynamodbstreams-kinesis-adapter.version>1.5.0</aws.dynamodbstreams-kinesis-adapter.version>
> >> >
> >> > I'm planning to take a look with a profiler next.
> >> >
> >> > Thomas
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 11:40 AM Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> > Hi all!
> >> >
> >> > Forking this thread out of the release vote thread.
> >> >  From what Thomas describes, it really sounds like a sink-specific
> >> issue.
> >> >
> >> > @Thomas: When you say sink has a long synchronous checkpoint time, you
> >> mean the time that is shown as "sync time" on the metrics and web UI?
> That
> >> is not including any network buffer related operations. It is purely the
> >> operator's time.
> >> >
> >> > Can we dig into the changes we did in sinks:
> >> >    - Kinesis version upgrade, AWS library updates
> >> >
> >> >    - Could it be that some call (checkpoint complete) that was
> >> previously (1.10) in a separate thread is not in the mailbox and this
> >> simply reduces the number of threads that do the work?
> >> >
> >> >    - Did sink checkpoint notifications change in a relevant way, for
> >> example due to some Kafka issues we addressed in 1.11 (@Aljoscha maybe?)
> >> >
> >> > Best,
> >> > Stephan
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 7:10 AM Zhijiang <wangzhijiang...@aliyun.com
> .invalid>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Hi Thomas,
> >> >
> >> >   Regarding [2], it has more detail infos in the Jira description (
> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-16404).
> >> >
> >> >   I can also give some basic explanations here to dismiss the concern.
> >> >   1. In the past, the following buffers after the barrier will be
> >> cached on downstream side before alignment.
> >> >   2. In 1.11, the upstream would not send the buffers after the
> >> barrier. When the downstream finishes the alignment, it will notify the
> >> downstream of continuing sending following buffers, since it can process
> >> them after alignment.
> >> >   3. The only difference is that the temporary blocked buffers are
> >> cached either on downstream side or on upstream side before alignment.
> >> >   4. The side effect would be the additional notification cost for
> >> every barrier alignment. If the downstream and upstream are deployed in
> >> separate TaskManager, the cost is network transport delay (the effect
> can
> >> be ignored based on our testing with 1s checkpoint interval). For
> sharing
> >> slot in your case, the cost is only one method call in processor, can be
> >> ignored also.
> >> >
> >> >   You mentioned "In this case, the downstream task has a high average
> >> checkpoint duration(~30s, sync part)." This duration is not reflecting
> the
> >> changes above, and it is only indicating the duration for calling
> >> `Operation.snapshotState`.
> >> >   If this duration is beyond your expectation, you can check or debug
> >> whether the source/sink operations might take more time to finish
> >> `snapshotState` in practice. E.g. you can
> >> >   make the implementation of this method as empty to further verify
> the
> >> effect.
> >> >
> >> >   Best,
> >> >   Zhijiang
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >   ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >   From:Thomas Weise <t...@apache.org>
> >> >   Send Time:2020年7月5日(星期日) 12:22
> >> >   To:dev <dev@flink.apache.org>; Zhijiang <wangzhijiang...@aliyun.com
> >
> >> >   Cc:Yingjie Cao <kevin.ying...@gmail.com>
> >> >   Subject:Re: [VOTE] Release 1.11.0, release candidate #4
> >> >
> >> >   Hi Zhijiang,
> >> >
> >> >   Could you please point me to more details regarding: "[2]: Delay
> send
> >> the
> >> >   following buffers after checkpoint barrier on upstream side until
> >> barrier
> >> >   alignment on downstream side."
> >> >
> >> >   In this case, the downstream task has a high average checkpoint
> >> duration
> >> >   (~30s, sync part). If there was a change to hold buffers depending
> on
> >> >   downstream performance, could this possibly apply to this case (even
> >> when
> >> >   there is no shuffle that would require alignment)?
> >> >
> >> >   Thanks,
> >> >   Thomas
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >   On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 7:39 AM Zhijiang <wangzhijiang...@aliyun.com
> >> .invalid>
> >> >   wrote:
> >> >
> >> >   > Hi Thomas,
> >> >   >
> >> >   > Thanks for the further update information.
> >> >   >
> >> >   > I guess we can dismiss the network stack changes, since in your
> >> case the
> >> >   > downstream and upstream would probably be deployed in the same
> slot
> >> >   > bypassing the network data shuffle.
> >> >   > Also I guess release-1.11 will not bring general performance
> >> regression in
> >> >   > runtime engine, as we also did the performance testing for all
> >> general
> >> >   > cases by [1] in real cluster before and the testing results should
> >> fit the
> >> >   > expectation. But we indeed did not test the specific source and
> sink
> >> >   > connectors yet as I known.
> >> >   >
> >> >   > Regarding your performance regression with 40%, I wonder it is
> >> probably
> >> >   > related to specific source/sink changes (e.g. kinesis) or
> >> environment
> >> >   > issues with corner case.
> >> >   > If possible, it would be helpful to further locate whether the
> >> regression
> >> >   > is caused by kinesis, by replacing the kinesis source & sink and
> >> keeping
> >> >   > the others same.
> >> >   >
> >> >   > As you said, it would be efficient to contact with you directly
> >> next week
> >> >   > to further discuss this issue. And we are willing/eager to provide
> >> any help
> >> >   > to resolve this issue soon.
> >> >   >
> >> >   > Besides that, I guess this issue should not be the blocker for the
> >> >   > release, since it is probably a corner case based on the current
> >> analysis.
> >> >   > If we really conclude anything need to be resolved after the final
> >> >   > release, then we can also make the next minor release-1.11.1 come
> >> soon.
> >> >   >
> >> >   > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-18433
> >> >   >
> >> >   > Best,
> >> >   > Zhijiang
> >> >   >
> >> >   >
> >> >   > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >   > From:Thomas Weise <t...@apache.org>
> >> >   > Send Time:2020年7月4日(星期六) 12:26
> >> >   > To:dev <dev@flink.apache.org>; Zhijiang <
> wangzhijiang...@aliyun.com
> >> >
> >> >   > Cc:Yingjie Cao <kevin.ying...@gmail.com>
> >> >   > Subject:Re: [VOTE] Release 1.11.0, release candidate #4
> >> >   >
> >> >   > Hi Zhijiang,
> >> >   >
> >> >   > It will probably be best if we connect next week and discuss the
> >> issue
> >> >   > directly since this could be quite difficult to reproduce.
> >> >   >
> >> >   > Before the testing result on our side comes out for your
> respective
> >> job
> >> >   > case, I have some other questions to confirm for further analysis:
> >> >   >     -  How much percentage regression you found after switching to
> >> 1.11?
> >> >   >
> >> >   > ~40% throughput decline
> >> >   >
> >> >   >     -  Are there any network bottleneck in your cluster? E.g. the
> >> network
> >> >   > bandwidth is full caused by other jobs? If so, it might have more
> >> effects
> >> >   > by above [2]
> >> >   >
> >> >   > The test runs on a k8s cluster that is also used for other
> >> production jobs.
> >> >   > There is no reason be believe network is the bottleneck.
> >> >   >
> >> >   >     -  Did you adjust the default network buffer setting? E.g.
> >> >   > "taskmanager.network.memory.floating-buffers-per-gate" or
> >> >   > "taskmanager.network.memory.buffers-per-channel"
> >> >   >
> >> >   > The job is using the defaults, i.e we don't configure the
> settings.
> >> If you
> >> >   > want me to try specific settings in the hope that it will help to
> >> isolate
> >> >   > the issue please let me know.
> >> >   >
> >> >   >     -  I guess the topology has three vertexes "KinesisConsumer ->
> >> Chained
> >> >   > FlatMap -> KinesisProducer", and the partition mode for
> >> "KinesisConsumer ->
> >> >   > FlatMap" and "FlatMap->KinesisProducer" are both "forward"? If so,
> >> the edge
> >> >   > connection is one-to-one, not all-to-all, then the above [1][2]
> >> should no
> >> >   > effects in theory with default network buffer setting.
> >> >   >
> >> >   > There are only 2 vertices and the edge is "forward".
> >> >   >
> >> >   >     - By slot sharing, I guess these three vertex parallelism task
> >> would
> >> >   > probably be deployed into the same slot, then the data shuffle is
> >> by memory
> >> >   > queue, not network stack. If so, the above [2] should no effect.
> >> >   >
> >> >   > Yes, vertices share slots.
> >> >   >
> >> >   >     - I also saw some Jira changes for kinesis in this release,
> >> could you
> >> >   > confirm that these changes would not effect the performance?
> >> >   >
> >> >   > I will need to take a look. 1.10 already had a regression
> >> introduced by the
> >> >   > Kinesis producer update.
> >> >   >
> >> >   >
> >> >   > Thanks,
> >> >   > Thomas
> >> >   >
> >> >   >
> >> >   > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 11:46 PM Zhijiang <
> >> wangzhijiang...@aliyun.com
> >> >   > .invalid>
> >> >   > wrote:
> >> >   >
> >> >   > > Hi Thomas,
> >> >   > >
> >> >   > > Thanks for your reply with rich information!
> >> >   > >
> >> >   > > We are trying to reproduce your case in our cluster to further
> >> verify it,
> >> >   > > and  @Yingjie Cao is working on it now.
> >> >   > >  As we have not kinesis consumer and producer internally, so we
> >> will
> >> >   > > construct the common source and sink instead in the case of
> >> backpressure.
> >> >   > >
> >> >   > > Firstly, we can dismiss the rockdb factor in this release, since
> >> you also
> >> >   > > mentioned that "filesystem leads to same symptoms".
> >> >   > >
> >> >   > > Secondly, if my understanding is right, you emphasis that the
> >> regression
> >> >   > > only exists for the jobs with low checkpoint interval (10s).
> >> >   > > Based on that, I have two suspicions with the network related
> >> changes in
> >> >   > > this release:
> >> >   > >     - [1]: Limited the maximum backlog value (default 10) in
> >> subpartition
> >> >   > > queue.
> >> >   > >     - [2]: Delay send the following buffers after checkpoint
> >> barrier on
> >> >   > > upstream side until barrier alignment on downstream side.
> >> >   > >
> >> >   > > These changes are motivated for reducing the in-flight buffers
> to
> >> speedup
> >> >   > > checkpoint especially in the case of backpressure.
> >> >   > > In theory they should have very minor performance effect and
> >> actually we
> >> >   > > also tested in cluster to verify within expectation before
> >> merging them,
> >> >   > >  but maybe there are other corner cases we have not thought of
> >> before.
> >> >   > >
> >> >   > > Before the testing result on our side comes out for your
> >> respective job
> >> >   > > case, I have some other questions to confirm for further
> analysis:
> >> >   > >     -  How much percentage regression you found after switching
> >> to 1.11?
> >> >   > >     -  Are there any network bottleneck in your cluster? E.g.
> the
> >> network
> >> >   > > bandwidth is full caused by other jobs? If so, it might have
> more
> >> effects
> >> >   > > by above [2]
> >> >   > >     -  Did you adjust the default network buffer setting? E.g.
> >> >   > > "taskmanager.network.memory.floating-buffers-per-gate" or
> >> >   > > "taskmanager.network.memory.buffers-per-channel"
> >> >   > >     -  I guess the topology has three vertexes "KinesisConsumer
> ->
> >> >   > Chained
> >> >   > > FlatMap -> KinesisProducer", and the partition mode for
> >> "KinesisConsumer
> >> >   > ->
> >> >   > > FlatMap" and "FlatMap->KinesisProducer" are both "forward"? If
> >> so, the
> >> >   > edge
> >> >   > > connection is one-to-one, not all-to-all, then the above [1][2]
> >> should no
> >> >   > > effects in theory with default network buffer setting.
> >> >   > >     - By slot sharing, I guess these three vertex parallelism
> >> task would
> >> >   > > probably be deployed into the same slot, then the data shuffle
> is
> >> by
> >> >   > memory
> >> >   > > queue, not network stack. If so, the above [2] should no effect.
> >> >   > >     - I also saw some Jira changes for kinesis in this release,
> >> could you
> >> >   > > confirm that these changes would not effect the performance?
> >> >   > >
> >> >   > > Best,
> >> >   > > Zhijiang
> >> >   > >
> >> >   > >
> >> >   > >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >   > > From:Thomas Weise <t...@apache.org>
> >> >   > > Send Time:2020年7月3日(星期五) 01:07
> >> >   > > To:dev <dev@flink.apache.org>; Zhijiang <
> >> wangzhijiang...@aliyun.com>
> >> >   > > Subject:Re: [VOTE] Release 1.11.0, release candidate #4
> >> >   > >
> >> >   > > Hi Zhijiang,
> >> >   > >
> >> >   > > The performance degradation manifests in backpressure which
> leads
> >> to
> >> >   > > growing backlog in the source. I switched a few times between
> >> 1.10 and
> >> >   > 1.11
> >> >   > > and the behavior is consistent.
> >> >   > >
> >> >   > > The DAG is:
> >> >   > >
> >> >   > > KinesisConsumer -> (Flat Map, Flat Map, Flat Map)   --------
> >> forward
> >> >   > > ---------> KinesisProducer
> >> >   > >
> >> >   > > Parallelism: 160
> >> >   > > No shuffle/rebalance.
> >> >   > >
> >> >   > > Checkpointing config:
> >> >   > >
> >> >   > > Checkpointing Mode Exactly Once
> >> >   > > Interval 10s
> >> >   > > Timeout 10m 0s
> >> >   > > Minimum Pause Between Checkpoints 10s
> >> >   > > Maximum Concurrent Checkpoints 1
> >> >   > > Persist Checkpoints Externally Enabled (delete on cancellation)
> >> >   > >
> >> >   > > State backend: rocksdb  (filesystem leads to same symptoms)
> >> >   > > Checkpoint size is tiny (500KB)
> >> >   > >
> >> >   > > An interesting difference to another job that I had upgraded
> >> successfully
> >> >   > > is the low checkpointing interval.
> >> >   > >
> >> >   > > Thanks,
> >> >   > > Thomas
> >> >   > >
> >> >   > >
> >> >   > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:02 PM Zhijiang <
> >> wangzhijiang...@aliyun.com
> >> >   > > .invalid>
> >> >   > > wrote:
> >> >   > >
> >> >   > > > Hi Thomas,
> >> >   > > >
> >> >   > > > Thanks for the efficient feedback.
> >> >   > > >
> >> >   > > > Regarding the suggestion of adding the release notes document,
> >> I agree
> >> >   > > > with your point. Maybe we should adjust the vote template
> >> accordingly
> >> >   > in
> >> >   > > > the respective wiki to guide the following release processes.
> >> >   > > >
> >> >   > > > Regarding the performance regression, could you provide some
> >> more
> >> >   > details
> >> >   > > > for our better measurement or reproducing on our sides?
> >> >   > > > E.g. I guess the topology only includes two vertexes source
> and
> >> sink?
> >> >   > > > What is the parallelism for every vertex?
> >> >   > > > The upstream shuffles data to the downstream via rebalance
> >> partitioner
> >> >   > or
> >> >   > > > other?
> >> >   > > > The checkpoint mode is exactly-once with rocksDB state
> backend?
> >> >   > > > The backpressure happened in this case?
> >> >   > > > How much percentage regression in this case?
> >> >   > > >
> >> >   > > > Best,
> >> >   > > > Zhijiang
> >> >   > > >
> >> >   > > >
> >> >   > > >
> >> >   > > >
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >   > > > From:Thomas Weise <t...@apache.org>
> >> >   > > > Send Time:2020年7月2日(星期四) 09:54
> >> >   > > > To:dev <dev@flink.apache.org>
> >> >   > > > Subject:Re: [VOTE] Release 1.11.0, release candidate #4
> >> >   > > >
> >> >   > > > Hi Till,
> >> >   > > >
> >> >   > > > Yes, we don't have the setting in flink-conf.yaml.
> >> >   > > >
> >> >   > > > Generally, we carry forward the existing configuration and any
> >> change
> >> >   > to
> >> >   > > > default configuration values would impact the upgrade.
> >> >   > > >
> >> >   > > > Yes, since it is an incompatible change I would state it in
> the
> >> release
> >> >   > > > notes.
> >> >   > > >
> >> >   > > > Thanks,
> >> >   > > > Thomas
> >> >   > > >
> >> >   > > > BTW I found a performance regression while trying to upgrade
> >> another
> >> >   > > > pipeline with this RC. It is a simple Kinesis to Kinesis job.
> >> Wasn't
> >> >   > able
> >> >   > > > to pin it down yet, symptoms include increased checkpoint
> >> alignment
> >> >   > time.
> >> >   > > >
> >> >   > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:04 AM Till Rohrmann <
> >> trohrm...@apache.org>
> >> >   > > > wrote:
> >> >   > > >
> >> >   > > > > Hi Thomas,
> >> >   > > > >
> >> >   > > > > just to confirm: When starting the image in local mode, then
> >> you
> >> >   > don't
> >> >   > > > have
> >> >   > > > > any of the JobManager memory configuration settings
> >> configured in the
> >> >   > > > > effective flink-conf.yaml, right? Does this mean that you
> have
> >> >   > > explicitly
> >> >   > > > > removed `jobmanager.heap.size: 1024m` from the default
> >> configuration?
> >> >   > > If
> >> >   > > > > this is the case, then I believe it was more of an
> >> unintentional
> >> >   > > artifact
> >> >   > > > > that it worked before and it has been corrected now so that
> >> one needs
> >> >   > > to
> >> >   > > > > specify the memory of the JM process explicitly. Do you
> think
> >> it
> >> >   > would
> >> >   > > > help
> >> >   > > > > to explicitly state this in the release notes?
> >> >   > > > >
> >> >   > > > > Cheers,
> >> >   > > > > Till
> >> >   > > > >
> >> >   > > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 7:01 AM Thomas Weise <t...@apache.org
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> >   > > > >
> >> >   > > > > > Thanks for preparing another RC!
> >> >   > > > > >
> >> >   > > > > > As mentioned in the previous RC thread, it would be super
> >> helpful
> >> >   > if
> >> >   > > > the
> >> >   > > > > > release notes that are part of the documentation can be
> >> included
> >> >   > [1].
> >> >   > > > > It's
> >> >   > > > > > a significant time-saver to have read those first.
> >> >   > > > > >
> >> >   > > > > > I found one more non-backward compatible change that would
> >> be worth
> >> >   > > > > > addressing/mentioning:
> >> >   > > > > >
> >> >   > > > > > It is now necessary to configure the jobmanager heap size
> in
> >> >   > > > > > flink-conf.yaml (with either jobmanager.heap.size
> >> >   > > > > > or jobmanager.memory.heap.size). Why would I not want to
> do
> >> that
> >> >   > > > anyways?
> >> >   > > > > > Well, we set it dynamically for a cluster deployment via
> the
> >> >   > > > > > flinkk8soperator, but the container image can also be used
> >> for
> >> >   > > testing
> >> >   > > > > with
> >> >   > > > > > local mode (./bin/jobmanager.sh start-foreground local).
> >> That will
> >> >   > > fail
> >> >   > > > > if
> >> >   > > > > > the heap wasn't configured and that's how I noticed it.
> >> >   > > > > >
> >> >   > > > > > Thanks,
> >> >   > > > > > Thomas
> >> >   > > > > >
> >> >   > > > > > [1]
> >> >   > > > > >
> >> >   > > > > >
> >> >   > > > >
> >> >   > > >
> >> >   > >
> >> >   >
> >>
> https://ci.apache.org/projects/flink/flink-docs-release-1.11/release-notes/flink-1.11.html
> >> >   > > > > >
> >> >   > > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 3:18 AM Zhijiang <
> >> >   > wangzhijiang...@aliyun.com
> >> >   > > > > > .invalid>
> >> >   > > > > > wrote:
> >> >   > > > > >
> >> >   > > > > > > Hi everyone,
> >> >   > > > > > >
> >> >   > > > > > > Please review and vote on the release candidate #4 for
> the
> >> >   > version
> >> >   > > > > > 1.11.0,
> >> >   > > > > > > as follows:
> >> >   > > > > > > [ ] +1, Approve the release
> >> >   > > > > > > [ ] -1, Do not approve the release (please provide
> >> specific
> >> >   > > comments)
> >> >   > > > > > >
> >> >   > > > > > > The complete staging area is available for your review,
> >> which
> >> >   > > > includes:
> >> >   > > > > > > * JIRA release notes [1],
> >> >   > > > > > > * the official Apache source release and binary
> >> convenience
> >> >   > > releases
> >> >   > > > to
> >> >   > > > > > be
> >> >   > > > > > > deployed to dist.apache.org [2], which are signed with
> >> the key
> >> >   > > with
> >> >   > > > > > > fingerprint 2DA85B93244FDFA19A6244500653C0A2CEA00D0E
> [3],
> >> >   > > > > > > * all artifacts to be deployed to the Maven Central
> >> Repository
> >> >   > [4],
> >> >   > > > > > > * source code tag "release-1.11.0-rc4" [5],
> >> >   > > > > > > * website pull request listing the new release and
> adding
> >> >   > > > announcement
> >> >   > > > > > > blog post [6].
> >> >   > > > > > >
> >> >   > > > > > > The vote will be open for at least 72 hours. It is
> >> adopted by
> >> >   > > > majority
> >> >   > > > > > > approval, with at least 3 PMC affirmative votes.
> >> >   > > > > > >
> >> >   > > > > > > Thanks,
> >> >   > > > > > > Release Manager
> >> >   > > > > > >
> >> >   > > > > > > [1]
> >> >   > > > > > >
> >> >   > > > > >
> >> >   > > > >
> >> >   > > >
> >> >   > >
> >> >   >
> >>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12315522&version=12346364
> >> >   > > > > > > [2]
> >> >   > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/flink/flink-1.11.0-rc4/
> >> >   > > > > > > [3]
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/flink/KEYS
> >> >   > > > > > > [4]
> >> >   > > > > > >
> >> >   > > > >
> >> >   > >
> >> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapacheflink-1377/
> >> >   > > > > > > [5]
> >> >   > > https://github.com/apache/flink/releases/tag/release-1.11.0-rc4
> >> >   > > > > > > [6] https://github.com/apache/flink-web/pull/352
> >> >   > > > > > >
> >> >   > > > > > >
> >> >   > > > > >
> >> >   > > > >
> >> >   > > >
> >> >   > > >
> >> >   > >
> >> >   > >
> >> >   >
> >> >   >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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