Hi all, The vote already lasted for more than 72 hours. Thanks everyone for helping test and verify the release. I will finalize the vote result soon in a separate email.
Best, Zhijiang ------------------------------------------------------------------ From:Jingsong Li <jingsongl...@gmail.com> Send Time:2020年7月6日(星期一) 12:11 To:dev <dev@flink.apache.org> Subject:Re: [VOTE] Release 1.11.0, release candidate #4 +1 (non-binding) - verified signature and checksum - build from source - checked webui and log sanity - played with filesystem and new connectors - played with Hive connector Best, Jingsonga On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 9:50 AM Xintong Song <tonysong...@gmail.com> wrote: > +1 (non-binding) > > - verified signature and checksum > - build from source > - checked log sanity > - checked webui > - played with memory configurations > - played with binding addresses/ports > > Thank you~ > > Xintong Song > > > > On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 9:41 PM Benchao Li <libenc...@apache.org> wrote: > > > +1 （non-binding) > > > > Checks: > > - verified signature and shasum of release files [OK] > > - build from source [OK] > > - started standalone cluster, sql-client [mostly OK except one issue] > > - played with sql-client > > - played with new features: LIKE / Table Options > > - checked Web UI functionality > > - canceled job from UI > > > > While I'm playing with the new table factories, I found one issue[1] > which > > surprises me. > > I don't think this should be a blocker, hence I'll still vote my +1. > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-18487 > > > > Zhijiang <wangzhijiang...@aliyun.com.invalid> 于2020年7月5日周日 下午1:10写道： > > > > > Hi Thomas, > > > > > > Regarding [2], it has more detail infos in the Jira description ( > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-16404). > > > > > > I can also give some basic explanations here to dismiss the concern. > > > 1. In the past, the following buffers after the barrier will be cached > on > > > downstream side before alignment. > > > 2. In 1.11, the upstream would not send the buffers after the barrier. > > > When the downstream finishes the alignment, it will notify the > downstream > > > of continuing sending following buffers, since it can process them > after > > > alignment. > > > 3. The only difference is that the temporary blocked buffers are cached > > > either on downstream side or on upstream side before alignment. > > > 4. The side effect would be the additional notification cost for every > > > barrier alignment. If the downstream and upstream are deployed in > > separate > > > TaskManager, the cost is network transport delay (the effect can be > > ignored > > > based on our testing with 1s checkpoint interval). For sharing slot in > > your > > > case, the cost is only one method call in processor, can be ignored > also. > > > > > > You mentioned "In this case, the downstream task has a high average > > > checkpoint duration(~30s, sync part)." This duration is not reflecting > > the > > > changes above, and it is only indicating the duration for calling > > > `Operation.snapshotState`. > > > If this duration is beyond your expectation, you can check or debug > > > whether the source/sink operations might take more time to finish > > > `snapshotState` in practice. E.g. you can > > > make the implementation of this method as empty to further verify the > > > effect. > > > > > > Best, > > > Zhijiang > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > From:Thomas Weise <t...@apache.org> > > > Send Time:2020年7月5日(星期日) 12:22 > > > To:dev <dev@flink.apache.org>; Zhijiang <wangzhijiang...@aliyun.com> > > > Cc:Yingjie Cao <kevin.ying...@gmail.com> > > > Subject:Re: [VOTE] Release 1.11.0, release candidate #4 > > > > > > Hi Zhijiang, > > > > > > Could you please point me to more details regarding: "[2]: Delay send > the > > > following buffers after checkpoint barrier on upstream side until > barrier > > > alignment on downstream side." > > > > > > In this case, the downstream task has a high average checkpoint > duration > > > (~30s, sync part). If there was a change to hold buffers depending on > > > downstream performance, could this possibly apply to this case (even > when > > > there is no shuffle that would require alignment)? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 7:39 AM Zhijiang <wangzhijiang...@aliyun.com > > > .invalid> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Thomas, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the further update information. > > > > > > > > I guess we can dismiss the network stack changes, since in your case > > the > > > > downstream and upstream would probably be deployed in the same slot > > > > bypassing the network data shuffle. > > > > Also I guess release-1.11 will not bring general performance > regression > > > in > > > > runtime engine, as we also did the performance testing for all > general > > > > cases by [1] in real cluster before and the testing results should > fit > > > the > > > > expectation. But we indeed did not test the specific source and sink > > > > connectors yet as I known. > > > > > > > > Regarding your performance regression with 40%, I wonder it is > probably > > > > related to specific source/sink changes (e.g. kinesis) or environment > > > > issues with corner case. > > > > If possible, it would be helpful to further locate whether the > > regression > > > > is caused by kinesis, by replacing the kinesis source & sink and > > keeping > > > > the others same. > > > > > > > > As you said, it would be efficient to contact with you directly next > > week > > > > to further discuss this issue. And we are willing/eager to provide > any > > > help > > > > to resolve this issue soon. > > > > > > > > Besides that, I guess this issue should not be the blocker for the > > > > release, since it is probably a corner case based on the current > > > analysis. > > > > If we really conclude anything need to be resolved after the final > > > > release, then we can also make the next minor release-1.11.1 come > soon. > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-18433 > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > Zhijiang > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > From:Thomas Weise <t...@apache.org> > > > > Send Time:2020年7月4日(星期六) 12:26 > > > > To:dev <dev@flink.apache.org>; Zhijiang <wangzhijiang...@aliyun.com> > > > > Cc:Yingjie Cao <kevin.ying...@gmail.com> > > > > Subject:Re: [VOTE] Release 1.11.0, release candidate #4 > > > > > > > > Hi Zhijiang, > > > > > > > > It will probably be best if we connect next week and discuss the > issue > > > > directly since this could be quite difficult to reproduce. > > > > > > > > Before the testing result on our side comes out for your respective > job > > > > case, I have some other questions to confirm for further analysis: > > > > - How much percentage regression you found after switching to > > 1.11? > > > > > > > > ~40% throughput decline > > > > > > > > - Are there any network bottleneck in your cluster? E.g. the > > network > > > > bandwidth is full caused by other jobs? If so, it might have more > > effects > > > > by above [2] > > > > > > > > The test runs on a k8s cluster that is also used for other production > > > jobs. > > > > There is no reason be believe network is the bottleneck. > > > > > > > > - Did you adjust the default network buffer setting? E.g. > > > > "taskmanager.network.memory.floating-buffers-per-gate" or > > > > "taskmanager.network.memory.buffers-per-channel" > > > > > > > > The job is using the defaults, i.e we don't configure the settings. > If > > > you > > > > want me to try specific settings in the hope that it will help to > > isolate > > > > the issue please let me know. > > > > > > > > - I guess the topology has three vertexes "KinesisConsumer -> > > > Chained > > > > FlatMap -> KinesisProducer", and the partition mode for > > "KinesisConsumer > > > -> > > > > FlatMap" and "FlatMap->KinesisProducer" are both "forward"? If so, > the > > > edge > > > > connection is one-to-one, not all-to-all, then the above [1][2] > should > > no > > > > effects in theory with default network buffer setting. > > > > > > > > There are only 2 vertices and the edge is "forward". > > > > > > > > - By slot sharing, I guess these three vertex parallelism task > > would > > > > probably be deployed into the same slot, then the data shuffle is by > > > memory > > > > queue, not network stack. If so, the above [2] should no effect. > > > > > > > > Yes, vertices share slots. > > > > > > > > - I also saw some Jira changes for kinesis in this release, could > > you > > > > confirm that these changes would not effect the performance? > > > > > > > > I will need to take a look. 1.10 already had a regression introduced > by > > > the > > > > Kinesis producer update. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 11:46 PM Zhijiang <wangzhijiang...@aliyun.com > > > > .invalid> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Thomas, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply with rich information! > > > > > > > > > > We are trying to reproduce your case in our cluster to further > verify > > > it, > > > > > and @Yingjie Cao is working on it now. > > > > > As we have not kinesis consumer and producer internally, so we > will > > > > > construct the common source and sink instead in the case of > > > backpressure. > > > > > > > > > > Firstly, we can dismiss the rockdb factor in this release, since > you > > > also > > > > > mentioned that "filesystem leads to same symptoms". > > > > > > > > > > Secondly, if my understanding is right, you emphasis that the > > > regression > > > > > only exists for the jobs with low checkpoint interval (10s). > > > > > Based on that, I have two suspicions with the network related > changes > > > in > > > > > this release: > > > > > - [1]: Limited the maximum backlog value (default 10) in > > > subpartition > > > > > queue. > > > > > - [2]: Delay send the following buffers after checkpoint > barrier > > on > > > > > upstream side until barrier alignment on downstream side. > > > > > > > > > > These changes are motivated for reducing the in-flight buffers to > > > speedup > > > > > checkpoint especially in the case of backpressure. > > > > > In theory they should have very minor performance effect and > actually > > > we > > > > > also tested in cluster to verify within expectation before merging > > > them, > > > > > but maybe there are other corner cases we have not thought of > > before. > > > > > > > > > > Before the testing result on our side comes out for your respective > > job > > > > > case, I have some other questions to confirm for further analysis: > > > > > - How much percentage regression you found after switching to > > > 1.11? > > > > > - Are there any network bottleneck in your cluster? E.g. the > > > network > > > > > bandwidth is full caused by other jobs? If so, it might have more > > > effects > > > > > by above [2] > > > > > - Did you adjust the default network buffer setting? E.g. > > > > > "taskmanager.network.memory.floating-buffers-per-gate" or > > > > > "taskmanager.network.memory.buffers-per-channel" > > > > > - I guess the topology has three vertexes "KinesisConsumer -> > > > > Chained > > > > > FlatMap -> KinesisProducer", and the partition mode for > > > "KinesisConsumer > > > > -> > > > > > FlatMap" and "FlatMap->KinesisProducer" are both "forward"? If so, > > the > > > > edge > > > > > connection is one-to-one, not all-to-all, then the above [1][2] > > should > > > no > > > > > effects in theory with default network buffer setting. > > > > > - By slot sharing, I guess these three vertex parallelism task > > > would > > > > > probably be deployed into the same slot, then the data shuffle is > by > > > > memory > > > > > queue, not network stack. If so, the above [2] should no effect. > > > > > - I also saw some Jira changes for kinesis in this release, > could > > > you > > > > > confirm that these changes would not effect the performance? > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > Zhijiang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > From:Thomas Weise <t...@apache.org> > > > > > Send Time:2020年7月3日(星期五) 01:07 > > > > > To:dev <dev@flink.apache.org>; Zhijiang < > wangzhijiang...@aliyun.com> > > > > > Subject:Re: [VOTE] Release 1.11.0, release candidate #4 > > > > > > > > > > Hi Zhijiang, > > > > > > > > > > The performance degradation manifests in backpressure which leads > to > > > > > growing backlog in the source. I switched a few times between 1.10 > > and > > > > 1.11 > > > > > and the behavior is consistent. > > > > > > > > > > The DAG is: > > > > > > > > > > KinesisConsumer -> (Flat Map, Flat Map, Flat Map) -------- > forward > > > > > ---------> KinesisProducer > > > > > > > > > > Parallelism: 160 > > > > > No shuffle/rebalance. > > > > > > > > > > Checkpointing config: > > > > > > > > > > Checkpointing Mode Exactly Once > > > > > Interval 10s > > > > > Timeout 10m 0s > > > > > Minimum Pause Between Checkpoints 10s > > > > > Maximum Concurrent Checkpoints 1 > > > > > Persist Checkpoints Externally Enabled (delete on cancellation) > > > > > > > > > > State backend: rocksdb (filesystem leads to same symptoms) > > > > > Checkpoint size is tiny (500KB) > > > > > > > > > > An interesting difference to another job that I had upgraded > > > successfully > > > > > is the low checkpointing interval. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:02 PM Zhijiang < > wangzhijiang...@aliyun.com > > > > > .invalid> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Thomas, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the efficient feedback. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding the suggestion of adding the release notes document, I > > > agree > > > > > > with your point. Maybe we should adjust the vote template > > accordingly > > > > in > > > > > > the respective wiki to guide the following release processes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding the performance regression, could you provide some more > > > > details > > > > > > for our better measurement or reproducing on our sides? > > > > > > E.g. I guess the topology only includes two vertexes source and > > sink? > > > > > > What is the parallelism for every vertex? > > > > > > The upstream shuffles data to the downstream via rebalance > > > partitioner > > > > or > > > > > > other? > > > > > > The checkpoint mode is exactly-once with rocksDB state backend? > > > > > > The backpressure happened in this case? > > > > > > How much percentage regression in this case? > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Zhijiang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > From:Thomas Weise <t...@apache.org> > > > > > > Send Time:2020年7月2日(星期四) 09:54 > > > > > > To:dev <dev@flink.apache.org> > > > > > > Subject:Re: [VOTE] Release 1.11.0, release candidate #4 > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Till, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, we don't have the setting in flink-conf.yaml. > > > > > > > > > > > > Generally, we carry forward the existing configuration and any > > change > > > > to > > > > > > default configuration values would impact the upgrade. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, since it is an incompatible change I would state it in the > > > release > > > > > > notes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW I found a performance regression while trying to upgrade > > another > > > > > > pipeline with this RC. It is a simple Kinesis to Kinesis job. > > Wasn't > > > > able > > > > > > to pin it down yet, symptoms include increased checkpoint > alignment > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:04 AM Till Rohrmann < > > trohrm...@apache.org> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Thomas, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to confirm: When starting the image in local mode, then > you > > > > don't > > > > > > have > > > > > > > any of the JobManager memory configuration settings configured > in > > > the > > > > > > > effective flink-conf.yaml, right? Does this mean that you have > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > removed `jobmanager.heap.size: 1024m` from the default > > > configuration? > > > > > If > > > > > > > this is the case, then I believe it was more of an > unintentional > > > > > artifact > > > > > > > that it worked before and it has been corrected now so that one > > > needs > > > > > to > > > > > > > specify the memory of the JM process explicitly. Do you think > it > > > > would > > > > > > help > > > > > > > to explicitly state this in the release notes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > Till > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 7:01 AM Thomas Weise <t...@apache.org> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for preparing another RC! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As mentioned in the previous RC thread, it would be super > > helpful > > > > if > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > release notes that are part of the documentation can be > > included > > > > [1]. > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > a significant time-saver to have read those first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found one more non-backward compatible change that would be > > > worth > > > > > > > > addressing/mentioning: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is now necessary to configure the jobmanager heap size in > > > > > > > > flink-conf.yaml (with either jobmanager.heap.size > > > > > > > > or jobmanager.memory.heap.size). Why would I not want to do > > that > > > > > > anyways? > > > > > > > > Well, we set it dynamically for a cluster deployment via the > > > > > > > > flinkk8soperator, but the container image can also be used > for > > > > > testing > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > local mode (./bin/jobmanager.sh start-foreground local). That > > > will > > > > > fail > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > the heap wasn't configured and that's how I noticed it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://ci.apache.org/projects/flink/flink-docs-release-1.11/release-notes/flink-1.11.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 3:18 AM Zhijiang < > > > > wangzhijiang...@aliyun.com > > > > > > > > .invalid> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please review and vote on the release candidate #4 for the > > > > version > > > > > > > > 1.11.0, > > > > > > > > > as follows: > > > > > > > > > [ ] +1, Approve the release > > > > > > > > > [ ] -1, Do not approve the release (please provide specific > > > > > comments) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The complete staging area is available for your review, > which > > > > > > includes: > > > > > > > > > * JIRA release notes [1], > > > > > > > > > * the official Apache source release and binary convenience > > > > > releases > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > deployed to dist.apache.org [2], which are signed with the > > key > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > fingerprint 2DA85B93244FDFA19A6244500653C0A2CEA00D0E [3], > > > > > > > > > * all artifacts to be deployed to the Maven Central > > Repository > > > > [4], > > > > > > > > > * source code tag "release-1.11.0-rc4" [5], > > > > > > > > > * website pull request listing the new release and adding > > > > > > announcement > > > > > > > > > blog post [6]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The vote will be open for at least 72 hours. It is adopted > by > > > > > > majority > > > > > > > > > approval, with at least 3 PMC affirmative votes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Release Manager > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12315522&version=12346364 > > > > > > > > > [2] > > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/flink/flink-1.11.0-rc4/ > > > > > > > > > [3] https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/flink/KEYS > > > > > > > > > [4] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapacheflink-1377/ > > > > > > > > > [5] > > > > > https://github.com/apache/flink/releases/tag/release-1.11.0-rc4 > > > > > > > > > [6] https://github.com/apache/flink-web/pull/352 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Best, > > Benchao Li > > > -- Best, Jingsong Lee
