Hi Max, > I wonder how that has played out since the creation of the Slack workspace? I haven't been following the Slack communication.
I think it has primarily played a role next to the existing User mailing list: lots of user questions. There were maybe a handful of conversations where the result of the conversation was a request to open a Jira, create a FLIP or open up a discussion on the Dev list. > There is an invite link that they can use. Maybe not the most straight-forward process but I think it doesn't stop users from joining. That's only possible to use for those with an @apache.org e-mail address, see https://infra.apache.org/slack.html. Anyone else would need to be invited by a committer, but I wouldn't be in favour of needing to spend committers time in adding/inviting members on an ASF Slack instance. Best regards, Martijn On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 12:33 PM Maximilian Michels <m...@apache.org> wrote: > Hey Martijn, hi Chesnay, > > >The big problem of using the ASF Slack instance is that users can join > any Slack channel, including ones outside of Flink. > > That is one of the main motivations for proposing to move to the ASF > Slack. We can create an unlimited number of "flink-XY" channels in the ASF > Slack, although one or two are probably all we need. It seems logical that > we share the Slack workspace, just like the other infrastructure like JIRA, > mail, Jenkins, web server, etc. I guess I'm just in too many Slack > workspaces already. > > From an ASF standpoint, I think it would be desirable to channel people > into the main workspace to promote the software foundation. Also, the main > point of communication should still be the mailing lists. I wonder how that > has played out since the creation of the Slack workspace? I haven't been > following the Slack communication. > > >Not to mention that non-committers need to be invited by an ASF Slack > user to be able to join. > > There is an invite link that they can use. Maybe not the most > straight-forward process but I think it doesn't stop users from joining. > > Linen is pretty nice, especially for making Slack searchable via search > engines. > > -Max > > On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 2:44 PM Chesnay Schepler <ches...@apache.org> > wrote: > >> According to Robert linen is supposed to show the entire history. >> >> On 03/11/2022 14:27, Martijn Visser wrote: >> > Addition: I'm not sure if Linen actually provides the messages that are >> > older, but I can't test that since we've only recently integrated it. >> > >> > On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 2:23 PM Martijn Visser <martijnvis...@apache.org >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Hi Max, >> >> >> >> From my experience, most ASF projects actually don't use the official >> >> Slack, but their own instance. That has happened with Airflow, Iceberg, >> >> Hudi etc. >> >> The big problem of using the ASF Slack instance is that users can join >> any >> >> Slack channel, including ones outside of Flink. Not to mention that >> >> non-committers need to be invited by an ASF Slack user to be able to >> join. >> >> The problem with the history is mitigated by using the service from >> Linen >> >> https://www.linen.dev/s/apache-flink >> >> >> >> I prefer the current Slack instance of the ASF one. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Martijn >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 1:14 PM Maximilian Michels <m...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi, >> >>> >> >>> A while ago the Flink community decided to create a Slack workspace >> [1]. I >> >>> wonder, is there a particular reason why we created our own Slack >> >>> workspace >> >>> and do not use the official ASF Slack [2]? It looks like most ASF >> projects >> >>> use the official Slack. Using the official Slack makes collaboration >> with >> >>> other projects easier but it also comes with additional benefits, e.g. >> >>> free >> >>> unlimited history (our current workspace suffers from limited >> history). >> >>> >> >>> Since the vote thread[1] mentioned a re-evaluation of the decision >> until >> >>> the end of 2022, I'd like to propose to move our channels to the >> official >> >>> ASF Slack workspace. In my eyes, the dedicated workspace is a bit of >> an >> >>> overkill and we're better off joining the rest of the ASF community. >> Let >> >>> me >> >>> know what you think. >> >>> >> >>> -Max >> >>> >> >>> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/j2kdh3zx6rrb49mz5n2vb06g2knogxdj >> >>> [2] https://infra.apache.org/slack.html >> >>> >> >>
