HI folks, I will migrate the Groovy script to Java-only code on GitHub in the next few weeks - I guess my colleagues will be happy to have JDK-only dependency :-)
When I’m finished you can still decide if you would like to setup links to (more or less) useful contributions or consider a code contribution :-) Thanks in advance, Siegfried Goeschl > On 8 Mar 2017, at 08:00, Daniel Dekany <ddek...@freemail.hu> wrote: > > Note that freemarker-online tries to avoid taking any serious > workload. Surely it can be easily DoS-ed to death, but it tries not to > be useful for doing actual work (like you can't upload data file to > transform), so at least well behaving users won't kill it. It's for > trying the template language. > > Something that users can download and run themselves is an entirely > different story of course. I'm not sure if there would be a > significant overlap with freemarker-online though, given how little > freemarker-online can do, by design. Well, unless the standalone tool > also have a browser interface (as opposed to SWT or Swing), they may > want to share something like a better FTL editor for example. Also, a > GUI and a CLI tool can surely share a lot of course. > > > Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 7:03:13 AM, Woonsan Ko wrote: > >> Hi Siegfried, >> >> Thanks for sharing your work! >> In my view, the main question is around how we can position the tool >> like what you implemented. In other words, would it belong to report >> generation area, simple data conversion tool area, or generic >> freemarker execution tool (or CLI) area? >> In my gut feeling, it could be best if it is possible to merge the >> freemarker-online-tester tool and your work together, and position it >> as a more generic freemarker CLI (and GUI support later?) tool. So >> people may download the tool to execute/test ftl sources locally with >> data, or we can deploy the tool as online service >> (freemarker-online-tester). Perhaps in the future, the CLI tool may >> support GUI, CLI, and web-online modes for users' convenience. >> So, if this vision is okay to the community, it might be worth >> combining both efforts into one as a new product (and as a subproject >> of freemarker). >> What do others think? >> >> Regards, >> >> Woonsan >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Siegfried Goeschl >> <siegfried.goes...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi Daniel, >>> >>> as far as I’m concerned >>> >>> * At the end of the day the committers & PMC decide what become part of the >>> project >>> * The same is said for adding links to external projects :-) >>> * The users do care about solving a problem a hand >>> * They don’t care a millisecond if it is part of an ecosystem or not >>> as long as they can find the tools they need and get their stuff done >>> * An alive-and-kicking ecosystem will result in new users of >>> FreeMarker >>> * They might not even care if there is Velocity or FreeMarker under >>> the hood :-) >>> * I’m aware of http://freemarker-online.kenshoo.com >>> <http://freemarker-online.kenshoo.com/> and I think this is a brilliant idea >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> >>> Siegfried Goeschl >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 6 Mar 2017, at 16:24, Daniel Dekany <ddek...@freemail.hu> wrote: >>>> >>>> Regarding if it's an useful contribution to the project. Currently, >>>> the Apache FreeMarker (incubating) project is only the engine itself. >>>> So unless we widen the scope of the project, while it certainly helps >>>> with the popularity/usefulness of the FreeMarker project, it's not a >>>> direct contribution to it. >>>> >>>> Some may point out that the project already have multiple "products", >>>> all in its own repository (but still under the umbrella of the Apache >>>> FreeMarker project): >>>> >>>> - freemarker: The engine itself, freemarker.jar. This is the only thing >>>> has releases. The others are just dependencies. >>>> >>>> - freemarker-docgen: Transforms XDocBook to HTML. The reason it's here >>>> is that both our homepage and the Manual are generated with this. >>>> >>>> - freemarker-site: The content of the homepage >>>> >>>> - Recently we started working on bringing over the small project >>>> behind http://freemarker-online.kenshoo.com/. So it's just yet >>>> another 3rd party tool, so why bring it in as a "product" of the >>>> project? The intent is that it will be part of our home page (so >>>> it's not a product with actual releases). It's a "tool" for trying >>>> out the engine itself, it has no other intended utility, so it >>>> fits in. Though the real incentive was that we saw the service being >>>> endangered (becoming outdated, etc.), and we want a service where >>>> the users can try the engine quickly. Also we have contributed to it >>>> substantially... we don't want those work hours to be lost. >>>> >>>> So these are all stuff used for publish/documenting the engine itself. >>>> >>>> But I'm not saying that it's totally impossible to bring in standalone >>>> tools as additional "products". I'm just not sure if we want get into >>>> that business. Because, what policy we want to follow? Why some >>>> project remains on GitHub, and why some become products of the >>>> FreeMarker project? Is that good for the ecosystem? >>>> >>>> (BTW, there's FMPP for example, another command line tool for >>>> FreeMarker. It has always remained an independent GitHub project. It >>>> was actually written by me (when I was still quite junior so I'm not >>>> very proud of it... but it works), so surely I could use my influence, >>>> but I just think it fits in. However, it's linked from the >>>> freemarker.org side menu, for ages... can be seen as an abuse of >>>> power. (-: Heck, I have never though of that... I will remove that >>>> link. But, note that freemarker-online is also linked there, simply >>>> because it's quite useful for many users. So for widely useful and >>>> proven stuff that's a possibility.) >>>> >>>> Anyway, anybody has thoughts about this? >>>> >>>> >>>> Monday, March 6, 2017, 12:07:26 PM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi folks, >>>>> >>>>> I'm playing around with Template Engines for a couple of years and >>>>> over Christmas I moved some of my code from Velocity for FreeMarker. >>>>> >>>>> One piece of code which could be useful to the public is >>>>> https://github.com/sgoeschl/freemarker-cli >>>>> <https://github.com/sgoeschl/freemarker-cli> >>>>> >>>>> * Don’t now if I already re-invented the wheel :-) >>>>> * Please note that this is my first contact with Apache FreeMarker >>>>> * I would like to ditch Groovy and migrate to a stand-alone Java >>>>> application >>>>> * It is already under ASL-2.0 >>>>> >>>>> So the question is - could this be a useful contribution to the >>>>> project?! As far as I know open source is not oneway only :-) >>>>> >>>>> Thanks in advance, >>>>> >>>>> Siegfried Goeschl >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Thanks, >>>> Daniel Dekany >>>> >>> >> > > -- > Thanks, > Daniel Dekany >
