Thats a great idea...
Kinda like Google's "I'm feeling lucky" ;-)
Matt Hogstrom wrote:
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I think the magic G-ball should be embedded in the installer and let it make a
random choice for the user :)
The answer is "It is decidedly so."
Matt
Jeff Genender wrote:
Then lets agree to disagree. We should probably take this offline if it
needs to be discussed further. This is kind of off-topic.
Jeff
Aaron Mulder wrote:
Sorry Jeff, I have to disagree. If you asked me whether you should
use Tomcat or Jetty, I really couldn't give you an informed answer.
About the best I could say is "they both work fine in Geronimo, they
do a couple things like virtual hosting slightly differently, and the
Jetty team is actively involved in Geronimo whereas we pretty much
built the Tomcat integration on our own." Still, that doesn't give
you much guidance (the last bit there is the only reason I personally
would have any preference at all). And I feel like I'm in the *most*
informed 1% of all possible Geronimo users.
I don't think it's sensible to argue over what "average" people know
or don't know, it's just my feeling that if I can't make a clear
decision for obvious reasons, then I can't ask every user who ever
installs the product to make that same decision.
Thanks,
Aaron
On 12/8/05, Jeff Genender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Erin Mulder wrote:
Jeff Genender wrote:
So you think your average Geronimo user will have no idea what a web
container is?
It's possible.
I asked "average" user...not whether its possible. The average user
will probably be a developer...who has done some degree of background on
the technologies. I would hazard to guess there are few people who use
BEA or Websphere and have absolutely no idea what a web container is.
The developer will likely know what it is. I have a hard time with
equating someone's clickety-click Mom with our average user...its
ridicules, which was really what my previous response was directed
towards.
There are a lot of experienced J2EE developers out there who have only
ever used full commercial stacks. Asking them to choose between two
web
containers is like asking them to choose EJB, MQ and Web Service
implementations. They may pick Tomcat because they vaguely recognize
the name, but having to make that choice will add anxiety to their
install experience.
I am sorry but I cannot agree here. I cannot believe there are many
"experienced" *J2EE* developers who have no idea what a web container
is. That is preposterous. Are there some? Sure - but I would say very
few. However, in servlet 101...of which many of these un-knowledgable
users would go, surely a mention of a web container, what it is, and
what they can use (including books, articles, internet), they should
have a minimal understanding of web containers.
Geronimo is also likely to become popular in academic settings (both
classroom and self-study) where people will need to install the server
before they get around to learning what a web container is.
The academic component is such a small microcosm in the grand scheme of
users, this not even a reason to think its has a major effect of the
overall user-base. We should push the direction of Geronimo towards
what the community wants. If the community wants Jetty, give it to
them. If they want Tomcat, then let them have this. Let the community
decide.
Cheers,
Erin
