On 26/May/2010 11:56, Alexei Fedotov wrote: > I agree that Alexey Petrenko idea to bundle projects was very > successful. IMHO, unlike ideas open source projects evolve in time, > and those ones which are dropped and no longer maintained hardly are > successful.
You are right to point it out, and I'm sure you'll agree it is not a reason to stop the next person with enthusiasm from trying :-) > From the bright side, one gets a unique opportunity to bring a new > life to these projects [1], [2] and, maybe, learn few lessons. > > [1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/eclipse-harmony/ > [2] http://harmony.apache.org/bundles.html#Tomcat Yes, indeed. If Alexey is still reading the list his input would be most welcomed. Regards, Tim > 2010/5/26 Tim Ellison <t.p.elli...@gmail.com>: >> On 26/May/2010 09:31, Alexei Fedotov wrote: >>> JFYI, Alexey Petrenko & company created select builds for Tomcat and >>> Eclipse. What will make your approach more successful? >> I happen to think that the work Alexey & company did was very useful and >> was successful. You will recall that Eclipse were distributing an early >> Harmony runtime milestone build bundled with Eclipse from their booth at >> JavaOne. >> >> Demonstrating the success of Harmony with Eclipse and Tomcat, and >> forming parts of other projects helps promote the Harmony project as a >> source of solid technology. >> >> Harmony Select is a bit different since the proposal is to 'select' >> those modules that can be combined into a viable runtime based on the >> Harmony technology. Hadoop is an interesting example since there are >> likely customizations and optimizations we can perform in the runtime >> that play to Hadoop's strengths. However, until we get these examples >> working it won't be obvious which enhancements make sense. >> >> Experimenting with a variety of runtimes derived from Harmony technology >> is great. There is an interesting challenge in figuring out what we can >> do with this code, and how we can make it adaptable to a variety of >> consumers, though I would be very keen to ensure all our snapshots are >> based off a common code base so that bug fixing for one gives the >> benefit to all of them. >> >> Regards, >> Tim >> >> >>> 2010/5/26 Jimmy,Jing Lv <firep...@gmail.com>: >>>> Hi Alexei Fedotov, >>>> >>>> I don't know Alexey Petrenko's experiment, interested in that, please >>>> tell us if you have more information. >>>> >>>> I agree whole cycle of application support should be very great for >>>> the applications - but it sounds like some commercial activities rather >>>> than >>>> open source development. However for open source projects, I believe it >>>> will >>>> be a great if we can support some real application or even become their >>>> default JRE, especially some hot open source Apps, as eclipse + Harmony, or >>>> Harmony in Android/WebOS, though they use different VM and don't come back >>>> much any more ;) . >>>> >>>> I don't have any particular customers in mind, just think we'd look >>>> for a different and flexible solution for various of applications. What do >>>> you think? >>>> >>>> 2010/5/25 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedo...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>>> Jimmy, why are you doing these select builds? Alexey Petrenko have >>>>> shown that even the finest bundling won't make Harmony more popular. >>>>> People these days want usability and the whole cycle of application >>>>> support. Do you have a particular customer in mind? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, >>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, >>>>> http://www.telecom-express.ru/ >>>>> http://harmony.apache.org/ >>>>> http://dataved.ru/ http://klsh.ru/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2010/5/25 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedo...@gmail.com>: >>>>>> Hadoop is an interesting choice, because it is used for application >>>>>> hosting. Though much more common choice would be Tomcat or Jetty. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, >>>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, >>>>>> http://www.telecom-express.ru/ >>>>>> http://harmony.apache.org/ >>>>>> http://dataved.ru/ http://klsh.ru/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Jimmy,Jing Lv <firep...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We are very close to publish Harmony5 M14 and Harmony6 M2, what >>>>> great >>>>>>> achievements since we created Harmony project! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now we may think about something different, satisfy more >>>>> requirements. >>>>>>> Different application requirement need different JRE - it may differ >>>>> very >>>>>>> much in class-lib modules, providers, and VMs. Harmony select, say, a >>>>>>> smaller, more flexible harmony runtime, may be a good candidate in such >>>>>>> environments. We may not follow Oracle/Sun exactly in this runtime, >>>>> allow >>>>>>> more innovations, different modules selections, and different >>>>>>> functionalities to meet different requirements. We may also call for >>>>> more >>>>>>> input from real Java applications, developers, especially hot >>>>> open-source >>>>>>> projects who are the potential customers of Harmony. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We've already created an initial target in Harmony to build a >>>>> Select >>>>>>> binary. We remove some client-side related modules (like AWT, swing etc) >>>>> to >>>>>>> reduce the size while keep the main functionality for server side >>>>>>> applications. This is a startup, very far from the finial versions. >>>>> However >>>>>>> I believe we can start some milestones with defined criterion like >>>>> standard >>>>>>> Harmony. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For the first milestone of Harmony-Select, I suggest we'd have >>>>>>> following criterion: >>>>>>> 1. build pass on both windows/linux platforms; >>>>>>> 2. pass all Harmony unit testcases in the selected module on these >>>>>>> platforms; >>>>>>> 3. Choose Apache Hadoop as a real Application test, pass its common test >>>>> on >>>>>>> these platforms for the first milestone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wait for any kindly suggestions, opinions and comments. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best Regards! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jimmy, Jing Lv >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Best Regards! >>>> >>>> Jimmy, Jing Lv >>>> China Software Development Lab, IBM >>>> >
