Hi Brandon,

GitHub Discussions are different from GitHub issues. Discussions can be
around a ticket or issue, but are generally more about discussing
functionality, features and problems people may have in the use of the
available functionality.

Have a look at the "Get Inspired" section on the GitHub Discussions page
[1] or this example of a lengthy thread on the Next.js GitHub Discussions
[2].
The longer-form-questions in GitHub Discussions provide a hybrid between
direct chat and a more forum-like style of interacting, which imho will
improve the quality of the questions and answers, as described in (c) in my
initial post.

I understand and agree with your point that the social aspect may be lower
on GitHub Discussions.
Even though that argument is valid, I don't know if it justifies running an
entire Mattermost server.
We could consider creating a #hop channel in the ASF Slack workspace [3]
and move the social and more informal part of the discussions there.

[1] https://github.com/features/discussions
[2] https://github.com/vercel/next.js/discussions/46722
[3] https://the-asf.slack.com/

Regards,
Bart

On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 5:27 AM Brandon Jackson <[email protected]> wrote:

> I like the idea of Question/Answer discussions going to Github; but I would
> still like to be able to chat with friends on Mattermost.
> Where would the social aspect be?   I see people using github issues for
> what I think you are suggesting as discussions.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 8:43 AM Bart Maertens <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Dear Hoppers,
> >
> > As a community, we're all constantly trying to improve Apache Hop and how
> > the community members can work together and interact.
> >
> > In that regard, we've come to a point where we may need to reconsider the
> > Mattermost chat [1].
> >
> > A couple of observations about the Mattermost chat:
> > a) it isn't hosted on an "official" Apache Hop subdomain (nor can it be).
> > b) access is open and free, but the chat history is not publicly
> available
> > and not indexable by search engines.
> > c) the "quality" of the questions is not always as high as we'd like them
> > to be. There are a lot of open-ended or "build my pipeline" type of
> > questions that should be answered in the documentation and samples. Check
> > out the contribution guides [2] if you'd like to help out with the docs
> and
> > samples.
> >
> > To improve community interaction on a truly open and publicly available
> > platform, we could consider enabling GitHub discussions [3] on our GitHub
> > repository [4], and move the Mattermost discussions there.
> >
> > GitHub Discussions have several advantages over our current Mattermost
> > chat:
> > a) even though not on an Apache subdomain, the discussions are part of
> the
> > source code repository, and as such, they're as close as possible to the
> > project's source code and issues
> > b) GitHub Discussions are publicly available and indexable by search
> > engines
> > c) discussions can be labeled, marked as "Answered" etc.
> >
> > The switch to GitHub discussions is nothing but a suggestion, we're eager
> > to know what your thoughts and suggestions are.
> > Let's start the discussion!
> >
> > [1] https://chat.project-hop.org.
> > [2] https://hop.apache.org/community/contributing/
> > [3] https://github.com/features/discussions
> > [4] https://github.com/apache/hop
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bart
> >
>

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