Hi all, To be honest, I've been having trouble with the Mattermost client. On and off, it's been a bit of a struggle. So, slack is fine for me as well. I'm also in favor of opening up the github discussions area for the Hop repository.
Cheers, Matt Op do 10 okt 2024 om 08:21 schreef Hans Van Akelyen < [email protected]>: > Hi Bart, > > I am in favour of moving to GitHub discussions and moving the more > informal conversations to a slack channel. > Having questions marked as solved and publicly available will indirectly > improve the overal documentation available for the project. > > Cheers, > Hans > On 8 Oct 2024 at 08:33 +0200, Bart Maertens <[email protected]>, wrote: > > Hi Brandon, > > > > GitHub Discussions are different from GitHub issues. Discussions can be > > around a ticket or issue, but are generally more about discussing > > functionality, features and problems people may have in the use of the > > available functionality. > > > > Have a look at the "Get Inspired" section on the GitHub Discussions page > > [1] or this example of a lengthy thread on the Next.js GitHub Discussions > > [2]. > > The longer-form-questions in GitHub Discussions provide a hybrid between > > direct chat and a more forum-like style of interacting, which imho will > > improve the quality of the questions and answers, as described in (c) in > my > > initial post. > > > > I understand and agree with your point that the social aspect may be > lower > > on GitHub Discussions. > > Even though that argument is valid, I don't know if it justifies running > an > > entire Mattermost server. > > We could consider creating a #hop channel in the ASF Slack workspace [3] > > and move the social and more informal part of the discussions there. > > > > [1] https://github.com/features/discussions > > [2] https://github.com/vercel/next.js/discussions/46722 > > [3] https://the-asf.slack.com/ > > > > Regards, > > Bart > > > > On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 5:27 AM Brandon Jackson <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > I like the idea of Question/Answer discussions going to Github; but I > would > > > still like to be able to chat with friends on Mattermost. > > > Where would the social aspect be? I see people using github issues for > > > what I think you are suggesting as discussions. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 8:43 AM Bart Maertens <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Hoppers, > > > > > > > > > > As a community, we're all constantly trying to improve Apache Hop > and how > > > > > the community members can work together and interact. > > > > > > > > > > In that regard, we've come to a point where we may need to > reconsider the > > > > > Mattermost chat [1]. > > > > > > > > > > A couple of observations about the Mattermost chat: > > > > > a) it isn't hosted on an "official" Apache Hop subdomain (nor can > it be). > > > > > b) access is open and free, but the chat history is not publicly > > > available > > > > > and not indexable by search engines. > > > > > c) the "quality" of the questions is not always as high as we'd > like them > > > > > to be. There are a lot of open-ended or "build my pipeline" type of > > > > > questions that should be answered in the documentation and > samples. Check > > > > > out the contribution guides [2] if you'd like to help out with the > docs > > > and > > > > > samples. > > > > > > > > > > To improve community interaction on a truly open and publicly > available > > > > > platform, we could consider enabling GitHub discussions [3] on our > GitHub > > > > > repository [4], and move the Mattermost discussions there. > > > > > > > > > > GitHub Discussions have several advantages over our current > Mattermost > > > > > chat: > > > > > a) even though not on an Apache subdomain, the discussions are > part of > > > the > > > > > source code repository, and as such, they're as close as possible > to the > > > > > project's source code and issues > > > > > b) GitHub Discussions are publicly available and indexable by > search > > > > > engines > > > > > c) discussions can be labeled, marked as "Answered" etc. > > > > > > > > > > The switch to GitHub discussions is nothing but a suggestion, > we're eager > > > > > to know what your thoughts and suggestions are. > > > > > Let's start the discussion! > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://chat.project-hop.org. > > > > > [2] https://hop.apache.org/community/contributing/ > > > > > [3] https://github.com/features/discussions > > > > > [4] https://github.com/apache/hop > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Bart > > > > > > > > >
