From: "Rodent of Unusual Size" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 3:08 PM
> * On 2002-02-06 at 15:59, > William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> excited the electrons to say: > > > > WRONG. You are proposing that one individual may block a release. > > Yes. > > > That is diametrically opposed to the spirit of HTTP. > > Rubbish. I mean, "I disagree." Everything I have ever read on the philosophy of HTTP [as different from other well respected projects] is that no individual can 'hijaak' the project. While vetos sometimes appear that way, a specific veto of a specific change or patch does no such thing. > > We are [now] treating showstoppers in 2.0 as sancrosect. That > > means they can be overridden. > > If they're sacrosanct, then they can't be overridden. No, while they remain in the SHOWSTOPPERS list, those of us discussing the next beta or potential GA are treating them as absolutes. Therefore, they must be downgraded [moved to WE SHOULD DO THIS] or resolved to move forward to GA. The few folks trying to work through that list are individually nailing the bug or problem, or asking the group for an opinion if they are truly showstoppers, and moving them when it's apparent that the group disagrees. Unless, of course, the SHOWSTOPPER identifies a VETO. > > But one individual cannot block the progress of the Apache HTTP > > Project. > > Stopping a release from happening is far from 'blocking the progress > of the project.' I'm saying that if one of our core developers > thinks the code is so broken it shouldn't be released, then it > shouldn't be released until the issue is resolved to that person's > satisfaction. Again, it's by majority, and 3 +1's to release a product from the ASF. > The problem, of course, is that a code veto can stand forever, > but we cannot allow a release to be blocked that way. So I > guess I'll back down some. :-) > > But only to the point that it needs a majority to demote a > showstopper. I still don't support the idea that 'the RM or > anyone' can do so arbitrarily. And they had them before they did so, I believe.
