On 10 Jul 2013, at 8:19 AM, "William A. Rowe Jr." <[email protected]> wrote:
> Fellow PMC folk... > > I think everyone on this list can agree that the pace of releases has > slowed to a crawl; we are 6+ mos between releases of our active/stable > 2.4 series, which has little if any adoption, and are equally lethargic > about the actually stable-and-adopted 2.2 releases. This is a thread > which we have visited before many times, but I'd like to throw a new > spin on it and consider whether we have taken several group decisions, > and combined them into the worst results possible from the lot of them. > > My question to the group; is /repos/asf/httpd/httpd/trunk/ actually > a trunk? Or is it a sandbox? All ASF projects have one goal, which > is to release open source code to the public at no charge. What is > currently brewing as /repos/asf/httpd/httpd/trunk/ has a version # > designation, but no plan to release, and no release in several years. > > I would humbly submit that with no plan to release, /trunk/ is simply > a sandbox, and should be svn mv'ed to the appropriate svn branch for > those developers to retrieve, maintain and later advance their proposals > into an actual 2.5.0 release trunk at some future date. > > I'm watching a ton of mental gymnastics by the few who are willing to > fight with this bureaucracy to commit to a non-release trunk, plea for > backport votes, then perhaps get their code into 2.4 (which is not yet > even distributed by anyone other than the ASF and adopted by almost no > users at all). The entire model, IMHO, is broken by mixing too many > of our consensus concepts in the most inefficient manner. Can you explain the current rush to release trunk a mere 18 months after we've released v2.4? I don't see the urgency at all. I also don't see any "mental gymnastics" going on, what I see is our Review Then Commit process under strain because of a significant amount of activity on trunk. I believe this is not a problem, activity is good. Stability is good. I don't want the stuff going on in trunk to hit the stable branch without those 3 +1 votes, even if the wait is painful. If I could wave my magic wand I'd like to see more people get involved, but then activity generates activity, so this is not a problem either. Regards, Graham --
