I have no problem with adding this discussion to the single file work, but
I'm not sure that would speed it up? Seems like this is a pretty
independent addition to the metadata layout?

On Thu, Dec 18, 2025 at 6:28 PM Micah Kornfield <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Thanks for the clarification, Micah! I want to explicitly call out (and
>> double-confirm) the key principle here: all tags must be strictly optional
>> and never required for correctness or basic functionality. Engines should
>> always be able to safely drop or ignore tags without breaking reads or
>> writes, with the only possible impact being suboptimal behavior (e.g.,
>> extra I/O), as you described.
>
>
> 100% I will also add this summary to the bottom of the requirements
> section.
>
> Based on mailing list discussion and doc comments (or lack thereof), it
> does not seem like there are strong objections to adding this for V4.
> Prashant seemed to maybe have concerns, so I'd like to understand if they
> are blockers.
>
> If there isn't additional feedback by the end of next week, I'd like to
> assume a lazy consensus and consolidate this with the single file
> improvement work, which has already reorganized the metadata schema [1].
> Please let me know if there is a different process.
>
> Thanks,
> Micah
>
> [1]
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k4x8utgh41Sn1tr98eynDKCWq035SV_f75rtNHcerVw/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.unn922df0zzw
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2025 at 5:38 PM Yufei Gu <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the clarification, Micah! I want to explicitly call out (and
>> double-confirm) the key principle here: all tags must be strictly optional
>> and never required for correctness or basic functionality. Engines should
>> always be able to safely drop or ignore tags without breaking reads or
>> writes, with the only possible impact being suboptimal behavior (e.g.,
>> extra I/O), as you described.
>>
>> As long as this constraint is clearly stated and enforced, the trade-off
>> feels reasonable to me.
>>
>> Yufei
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 15, 2025 at 4:28 PM Micah Kornfield <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Yufei,
>>>
>>>> If one engine started to rely on a tag for certain reasons(like
>>>> clustering algorithm), would data file rewrite(compaction) by another
>>>> engine remove the tag, and break the engine relying on it.
>>>
>>>
>>> The intent here is that dropping tags should never break an engine.  But
>>> it could cause suboptimal operations.  For instance, one example I brought
>>> in the docs is using tags to cache parquet footer size, to make sure it is
>>> fetched in 1 I/O.
>>>
>>> In this case the following would occur.
>>>
>>> 1.  Engine 1 does a write to file 1 and records its footer size in tags.
>>> 2.  Engine 2 does a rewrite/compactions and produces File 2 without tags.
>>> 3.  Engine 1 then tries to read file 2.  The tag for footer length is
>>> missing so it falls back reading a reasonable number of bytes from the end
>>> of the parquet file, hoping the entire footer is retrieved (and if it isn't
>>> a second I/O is necessary).
>>>
>>> Similarly for clustering algorithms, I think the result could yield a
>>> sub-optimally clustered table, or perhaps redundant clustering operations
>>> but shouldn't break anything. This is no worse then the case today though
>>> if engine 1 and engine 2 have different clustering algorithms and they are
>>> being run in interleaved fashion on the same table.  In this case it is
>>> highly likely that some amount of duplicate compaction is happening.
>>>
>>> In the current proposal, any metadata that is required for proper
>>> functioning should never be put in tags.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Micah
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 15, 2025 at 4:02 PM Yufei Gu <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the proposal!
>>>>
>>>> If one engine started to rely on a tag for certain reasons(like
>>>> clustering algorithm), would data file rewrite(compaction) by another
>>>> engine remove the tag, and break the engine relying on it.
>>>>
>>>> Yufei
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2025 at 2:58 PM Micah Kornfield <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Iceberg Dev,
>>>>> I added a proposal [1] to add a key-value tags field for files in V4
>>>>> metadata [2].  More details are in the document but the intent is to allow
>>>>> engines to store optional metadata associated with these files:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.  The proposed field is optional and cannot be used for metadata
>>>>> required for reading the table correctly.
>>>>> 2.  It also proposes guard-rails for not letting tags cause metadata
>>>>> bloat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking forward to hearing everyone's thoughts and feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Micah
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://github.com/apache/iceberg/issues/14815
>>>>> [2]
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/16flxDXjpBiAs_cF3sjCsa7GlvSHQ0Mmm74c8yvYQlSA/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.cnpb2lth3egz
>>>>>
>>>>>

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