Dmitriy, Did I read your words correctly that it is up to implementor of a single feature to decide whether release of all other features and fixes to be delayed?
пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov....@gmail.com>: > My point we can wait a bit for services because > 1 we are open-minded and we don't have outside pressure to do release in > October > 2 and services it is not some new feature, which suddenly appeared in > autumn, it is a well known and important feature. > > So it is up to Vyacheslav, Anton and Nikolay to decide. > > Decisions can be services are not ready/ready to merge only to master/ready > to merge to master and to 2.7. > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46, Vladimir Ozerov <voze...@gridgain.com>: > > > Dmitry, > > > > Community agreement was to perform the release in October. Of course we > can > > wait a bit for services. Then we wait a bit for other cool features ready > > by that time, then again and again, and release will never happen. And > > while we are waiting for new features to come, already completerd > features > > cannot be used by anyone. > > > > This is why we have an agreement that if feature is not ready, it should > be > > moved to future release, instead of shifting release. The sole reason to > > have strict dates when decisions are made is to let release happen. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov....@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Vladimir, I'm not searching for enemy, and not fighting with you. I'm > > not > > > happy about cases when we are hurrying. > > > > > > We can't fix test, fill ticket details, can't wait for contributions to > > > finish their tasks. It is not best idea to use experience from > > commercial > > > companies in open source. Are there any pressure outside community? Did > > > someone promised rest of features to be released at 30 September? > > > > > > Let's remember principle do-orcracy, power of those who do. If > contribor > > > does change and reviewer does review, let's give right of making > decision > > > to them, but not to some closed club of people who privately discuss > > > something. > > > > > > Sincerely > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42 Vyacheslav Daradur <daradu...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > Hi Igniters! > > > > > > > > As I have written about Service Grid before [1] I'm finalizing the > > > > solution to be sure that implementation is reliable. > > > > > > > > About including it in 2.7, if we talk that code freeze tomorrow then > > > > the solution is not ready to merge yet. > > > > I hope that prereviewers Anton Vinogradov and Nikolay Izhikov will be > > > > able to answer if solution out of scope or not in a couple of days. > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485 > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov < > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL flush is definitely a blocker. > > > > > > > > > > It is strange why the current test set did not fail after commit. > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <stku...@gmail.com > >: > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, > > > > > > > > > > > > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL manager recently, see [1]. It > > looks > > > > > > critical enough, and can be a good candidate for fixing before > 2.7 > > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree? > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731 > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:45, Dmitriy Pavlov < > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to be absolutely sure what status > is > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We never committed to dates of release, as well. I don't quite > > > > understand > > > > > > > what can mean 'the community committed to doing/releasing > > > something'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About SG, I also concerned why such a big feature has quite a > few > > > > > > > discussions on the list. But it is another story. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33, Vladimir Ozerov < > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for enemies everywhere. Just went through > > > this > > > > > > thread > > > > > > > > and search for "service" word. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM Denis Magda < > dma...@apache.org > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that > Service > > > Grid > > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to the > > > > Apache > > > > > > Way. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> It's fine when committers/contributors have private > > discussions > > > > > > related > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > >> a feature they've been working on. Not everything should go > > > > through > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >> dev > > > > > > > >> list. Otherwise, it will be inundated. However, agree, that > > > > > > > architectural > > > > > > > >> and release decisions need to be done publicly. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Speaking about Service Grid, there was a discussion where I > > saw > > > > that > > > > > > it > > > > > > > >> was > > > > > > > >> questionable whether it gets added to the release or not. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> *Vladislav*, could you please shed some light on the current > > > > status of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >> service grid? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:12 AM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Ok, let's wait for feedback from SG Author(s)/Reviewer(s) > > > > first. If > > > > > > it > > > > > > > >> is > > > > > > > >> > not ready, ok. But I thought it is almost done. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > I apologize if I missed some discussion (it can happen), > but > > > > > > > >> > According to the statement "our current agreement" > > > > > > > >> > I can suspect some members are making some sort of private > > > > > > agreements, > > > > > > > >> and > > > > > > > >> > do not to discuss it on the list. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Let's build consensus here first, and then name an > > agreement. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that > Service > > > Grid > > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to the > > > > Apache > > > > > > Way. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:55, Vladimir Ozerov < > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Dmitriy, > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> This is an outcome of current state of Service Grid - it > is > > > not > > > > > > > ready. > > > > > > > >> We > > > > > > > >> >> never committed to have it to 2.7. Our goal was to try to > > > > include > > > > > > it > > > > > > > >> into > > > > > > > >> >> 2.7. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:48 PM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com> > > > > > > > >> >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > Could you please provide a reference to some thread? > > > > Probably I > > > > > > > >> missed > > > > > > > >> >> it. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:46, Vladimir Ozerov < > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > >> >: > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Our current agreement is that Service Grid is out of > > > scope. > > > > > > This > > > > > > > >> is a > > > > > > > >> >> > huge > > > > > > > >> >> > > feature, which hasn't entered review stage so far, We > > > will > > > > not > > > > > > be > > > > > > > >> >> able to > > > > > > > >> >> > > review/fix/test it properly. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:32 PM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > >> dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > I agree, and I prefer four weeks for stabilization* > > (1 > > > > Oct - > > > > > > 29 > > > > > > > >> Oct) > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Do I understand it correctly: Service Grid is still > > in > > > > scope, > > > > > > > >> isn't > > > > > > > >> >> > it? I > > > > > > > >> >> > > > find it very important. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:28, Nikolay Izhikov < > > > > > > > >> nizhi...@apache.org > > > > > > > >> >> >: > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Hello, Vova. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Thank you for clear release status. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > I'm +1 for your proposal. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 18:25 Alexey Kuznetsov < > > > > > > > >> >> akuznet...@apache.org > > > > > > > >> >> > >: > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Vova, > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Huge +1 to do a stabilization. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > -- > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Alexey Kuznetsov > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Andrey Kuznetsov. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D. > > > > > > > > > >
