Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir, I suggest we stop this nonsense with release dates-pushing because of some open question.
Just because you disagreed with any include/exclude something into scope, does not mean that whole community disagreed. If folks will start a separate discussion with results of the review, I see no reasons to reject their contribution, even if we need to revisit our agreements and wait for a couple of days more. Am I missing some reason why dates are so fundamentally important to you? Sincerely, Dmitriy Pavlov пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 12:20, Dmitriy Setrakyan <dsetrak...@apache.org>: > If services is not ready, which it is not, then we should include them into > the next release. There is no need to force them into 2.7. I suggest we > move according to the schedule we all agreed on. > > D. > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov....@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Yes, so correct statement is "community did not make any decisions about > > services not go to 2.7/ services are out of scope". > > > > If so, please forgive me my confusion. > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:19, Vladimir Ozerov <voze...@gridgain.com>: > > > > > Exactly. So correct statement is “it is up to *community* to decide > > whether > > > something goes to 2.7”. > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:11, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov....@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > No, it is up to the community to discuss after their review results. > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09, Vladimir Ozerov <voze...@gridgain.com > >: > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your words correctly that it is up to implementor of a > > > single > > > > > feature to decide whether release of all other features and fixes > to > > be > > > > > delayed? > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00, Dmitriy Pavlov < > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > My point we can wait a bit for services because > > > > > > 1 we are open-minded and we don't have outside pressure to do > > > release > > > > in > > > > > > October > > > > > > 2 and services it is not some new feature, which suddenly > appeared > > > in > > > > > > autumn, it is a well known and important feature. > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to Vyacheslav, Anton and Nikolay to decide. > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can be services are not ready/ready to merge only to > > > > > master/ready > > > > > > to merge to master and to 2.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46, Vladimir Ozerov < > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community agreement was to perform the release in October. Of > > > course > > > > we > > > > > > can > > > > > > > wait a bit for services. Then we wait a bit for other cool > > features > > > > > ready > > > > > > > by that time, then again and again, and release will never > > happen. > > > > And > > > > > > > while we are waiting for new features to come, already > completerd > > > > > > features > > > > > > > cannot be used by anyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why we have an agreement that if feature is not ready, > it > > > > > should > > > > > > be > > > > > > > moved to future release, instead of shifting release. The sole > > > reason > > > > > to > > > > > > > have strict dates when decisions are made is to let release > > happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir, I'm not searching for enemy, and not fighting with > > > you. > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > happy about cases when we are hurrying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't fix test, fill ticket details, can't wait for > > > > contributions > > > > > to > > > > > > > > finish their tasks. It is not best idea to use experience > from > > > > > > > commercial > > > > > > > > companies in open source. Are there any pressure outside > > > community? > > > > > Did > > > > > > > > someone promised rest of features to be released at 30 > > September? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's remember principle do-orcracy, power of those who do. > If > > > > > > contribor > > > > > > > > does change and reviewer does review, let's give right of > > making > > > > > > decision > > > > > > > > to them, but not to some closed club of people who privately > > > > discuss > > > > > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42 Vyacheslav Daradur < > > > > daradu...@gmail.com > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have written about Service Grid before [1] I'm > > finalizing > > > > the > > > > > > > > > solution to be sure that implementation is reliable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About including it in 2.7, if we talk that code freeze > > tomorrow > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > the solution is not ready to merge yet. > > > > > > > > > I hope that prereviewers Anton Vinogradov and Nikolay > Izhikov > > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > able to answer if solution out of scope or not in a couple > of > > > > days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485 > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL flush is definitely a > blocker. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is strange why the current test set did not fail after > > > > commit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45, Andrey Kuznetsov < > > > > > stku...@gmail.com > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL manager recently, see > > > [1]. > > > > It > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > > > > > critical enough, and can be a good candidate for fixing > > > > before > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:45, Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to be absolutely sure > what > > > > > status > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We never committed to dates of release, as well. I > > don't > > > > > quite > > > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > > > > what can mean 'the community committed to > > doing/releasing > > > > > > > > something'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About SG, I also concerned why such a big feature has > > > > quite a > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions on the list. But it is another story. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33, Vladimir Ozerov < > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for enemies everywhere. Just > went > > > > > through > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > thread > > > > > > > > > > > > > and search for "service" word. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM Denis Magda < > > > > > > dma...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, > > that > > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > Grid > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly > > according > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Apache > > > > > > > > > > > Way. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> It's fine when committers/contributors have > private > > > > > > > discussions > > > > > > > > > > > related > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > >> a feature they've been working on. Not everything > > > should > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > >> dev > > > > > > > > > > > > >> list. Otherwise, it will be inundated. However, > > > agree, > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > architectural > > > > > > > > > > > > >> and release decisions need to be done publicly. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Speaking about Service Grid, there was a > discussion > > > > where > > > > > I > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > >> was > > > > > > > > > > > > >> questionable whether it gets added to the release > or > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> *Vladislav*, could you please shed some light on > the > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > status of > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > >> service grid? > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:12 AM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ok, let's wait for feedback from SG > > > > > Author(s)/Reviewer(s) > > > > > > > > > first. If > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > >> is > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > not ready, ok. But I thought it is almost done. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > I apologize if I missed some discussion (it can > > > > happen), > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > According to the statement "our current > agreement" > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > I can suspect some members are making some sort > of > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > > agreements, > > > > > > > > > > > > >> and > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > do not to discuss it on the list. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Let's build consensus here first, and then name > an > > > > > > > agreement. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, > > that > > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > Grid > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly > > according > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Apache > > > > > > > > > > > Way. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:55, Vladimir Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> This is an outcome of current state of Service > > > Grid - > > > > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > ready. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> We > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> never committed to have it to 2.7. Our goal was > > to > > > > try > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > include > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > >> into > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> 2.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:48 PM Dmitriy Pavlov > < > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > Could you please provide a reference to some > > > > thread? > > > > > > > > > Probably I > > > > > > > > > > > > >> missed > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> it. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:46, Vladimir > Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >: > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Our current agreement is that Service Grid > is > > > out > > > > > of > > > > > > > > scope. > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > >> is a > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > huge > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > feature, which hasn't entered review stage > so > > > > far, > > > > > We > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> able to > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > review/fix/test it properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:32 PM Dmitriy > > Pavlov > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > >> dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > I agree, and I prefer four weeks for > > > > > stabilization* > > > > > > > (1 > > > > > > > > > Oct - > > > > > > > > > > > 29 > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Oct) > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Do I understand it correctly: Service > Grid > > is > > > > > still > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > scope, > > > > > > > > > > > > >> isn't > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > it? I > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > find it very important. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:28, Nikolay > > > Izhikov < > > > > > > > > > > > > >> nizhi...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >: > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Hello, Vova. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Thank you for clear release status. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > I'm +1 for your proposal. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 18:25 Alexey > > > Kuznetsov > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> akuznet...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Vova, > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Huge +1 to do a stabilization. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Alexey Kuznetsov > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Andrey Kuznetsov. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
