Igniters, Nikolay,
I've recently discovered an issue [1] which was causing test suite to quit
on TC. The root cause of the issue was an incorrect handling of WAL
archiver stop, which causes a failure propagated to the failure processor
and lead to a JVM halt on each node stop. This is a regression compared
from 2.6.
I think it is worth including this fix to 2.7 given that the fix is ready
and verified on TC.
Please let me know if you have any objections.
вт, 9 окт. 2018 г. в 19:00, Andrey Kuznetsov <stku...@gmail.com>:
> Igniters,
>
> Recently, I have filed an issue [1] that deals with possible hanging of WAL
> logging. I will appreciate your thoughts on its severity. To make logging
> hang two conditions should be satisfied: WAL mode is {{FSYNC}}, and WAL
> archiving is disabled. Should we investigate and fix this immediately or is
> it possible to postpone till 2.8?
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
>
> вт, 9 окт. 2018 г. в 11:17, Andrey Kuznetsov <stku...@gmail.com>:
>
> > Ignite committers,
> >
> > I have prepared a PR for 2.7 blocker [1]. Could anybody merge it to 2.7
> > and master?
> >
> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9737
> >
> >
> > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 14:02, Nikolay Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org>:
> >
> >> Alexey.
> >>
> >> Sorry, I lost link to IGNITE-9760 in this thread :)
> >>
> >> Thanks, for a clarification.
> >>
> >>
> >> В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:58 +0300, Alexey Goncharuk пишет:
> >> > Nikolay, both commits fixed a regression compared to ignite-2.6. First
> >> one was mentioned by Anton Kalashnikov before (java-level deadlock
> during
> >> WAL flush), another - by Andrey Kuznetsov (NPE during a concurrent WAL
> >> flush).
> >> >
> >> > --AG
> >> >
> >> > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 13:38, Nikolay Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org>:
> >> > > Hello, Igniters.
> >> > >
> >> > > Release scope is frozen.
> >> > > Please, if you include some new issues in release - discuss it in
> >> this thread.
> >> > >
> >> > > Alexey, can you, please, comment on including fix for IGNITE-9760,
> >> IGNITE-9761 in 2.7 branch.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >>
> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=3355201f3e8cafd23b2250aaccccf3b91b8b8ed1
> >> > >
> >>
> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=9d6e6ff394c05ddf7ef31a9d9ed1b492d9eeba69
> >> > >
> >> > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:24 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет:
> >> > > > Nobody vetos anything, let's stop use this term unless some really
> >> > > > important problem is discussed.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > At this point we are in situation when new tickets are still
> >> included into
> >> > > > the scope. All want to ask is to stop including new tickets
> without
> >> > > > explaining on why they should be in AI 2.7. Regression between is
> >> AI 2.6
> >> > > > and AI 2.7 is enough. But "I found new NPE" is not.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> >> dpavlov....@gmail.com>
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Nikolay,
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > this has nothing about scaring someone. Let me explain about
> >> Apache Way.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Voting -1 to release does not mean blocking it, release can't be
> >> vetoed.
> >> > > > > Approving release is done by policy: majority approval. 3+1
> >> binding and
> >> > > > > more +1 than -1. Consensus approval is better but not mandatory.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Instead, if PMC says -1 to code modification it means veto and
> >> can't be
> >> > > > > bypassed to anyone. This is a very strong statement, which
> should
> >> be
> >> > > > > applied reasonably and with technical justification. Lack of
> >> > > > > understanding is not a justification.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > So my point instead of vetoing bugfix let's veto commits where
> >> the bugs
> >> > > > > were introduced. I feel a number of bugs reported recently are
> all
> >> > > > > connected to WalManager, and these bugs may come from just a
> >> couple of
> >> > > > > fixes. PDS tests were quite stable last time, so I think it is
> >> possible to
> >> > > > > find out why WAL crashes and hangs.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Sincerely,
> >> > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 10:05, Andrey Kuznetsov <stku...@gmail.com
> >:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > Vladimir, Nikolay,
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > For sure, I'm not an experienced Ignite contributor, so I'm
> >> sorry for
> >> > > > > > intervening. I've just run the reproducer from [1] against
> >> ignite-2.6
> >> > > > > > branch and it has passed. So, it's not an legacy bug, we've
> >> brought it
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > with
> >> > > > > > some change of 2.7 scope. Is it still ok to ignore the bug?
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 2:07, Nikolay Izhikov <
> nizhi...@apache.org
> >> >:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Hello, Dmitriy.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to
> *explain
> >> impact*
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > of
> >> > > > > > a
> >> > > > > > > bug.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Why are you scaring us with your "-1"?
> >> > > > > > > Is it Apache Way to do so?
> >> > > > > > > What should be done for you to return to a constructive
> >> discussion?
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет:
> >> > > > > > > > Hi Igniters, Vladimir,
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid
> (if
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > persistence
> >> > > > > > > > enabled).
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until
> >> we're sure
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > it
> >> > > > > > is
> >> > > > > > > > too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not
> >> the case. I
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > will
> >> > > > > > > > definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such
> >> problems
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > exist
> >> > > > > > > and
> >> > > > > > > > were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and
> >> usability
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > of
> >> > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > product.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > We should ask and answer other questions:
> >> > > > > > > > 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently
> >> in the
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > same
> >> > > > > > > area
> >> > > > > > > > 2) and why we signed-off commit(s).
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from
> >> 2.7 and
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > research
> >> > > > > > > > these failures in master (with no rush).
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> >> > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov <
> >> voze...@gridgain.com>:
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Andrey, Anton,
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers?
> What
> >> is the
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > impact to
> >> > > > > > > > > users and in what circumstances users can met them?
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we
> >> do not
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > strive
> >> > > > > > > to
> >> > > > > > > > > include them all, because bug != blocker.
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release
> >> scope,
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > unless
> >> > > > > > > > > impact is explained.
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Vladimir.
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <
> >> stku...@gmail.com>:
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > I've caught a bug [1] in
> >> FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > looks
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > like a
> >> > > > > > > > > > release blocker to me.
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com
> >> > > > > > > :
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anton,
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > I definitely agree it is a blocker.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov <
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > kaa....@yandex.ru
> >> > > > > > > :
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in
> >> archiver -
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761
> .
> >> I almost
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > fixed
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > it.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > It seems it should be include to scope.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > --
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Anton Kalashnikov
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > dsetrak...@apache.org
> >> > > > > > > :
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, got it.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do
> >> my
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > absolute
> >> > > > > > > best to
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > finalize
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related
> to.
> >> I think
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > most
> >> > > > > > > of
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributors doing the same.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com
> >> > > > > > > > > > > :
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is precisely the scope we have at the
> >> moment. All
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > these
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > tickets
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > were
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered carefully on whether to include
> >> them into
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > AI
> >> > > > > > > 2.7
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > scope.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > I
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be
> >> moved
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > furhter.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Third of current tickets are features on
> >> their final
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > review
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > stages
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > (e.g.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin
> Clients),
> >> another
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > big
> >> > > > > > > part
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > is
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stabilization tickets (mainly - various
> test
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > failures),
> >> > > > > > > and
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > another
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > big
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part is infrastructure (adopting new
> >> modules, Java 9+
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > support,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > etc.). So
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > despite big absolute number, most of these
> >> tickets are
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > grouped
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > around
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > several big areas, and overall progress
> over
> >> this week
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > should
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > be
> >> > > > > > > > > > > very
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > good.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy
> >> Setrakyan <
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrak...@apache.org>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I
> >> do not
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > believe all
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > these
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave
> >> only
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > "must-have"
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > tickets
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > in
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and move the rest to 2.8.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir
> >> Ozerov <
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please use this filter, as it properly
> >> handles
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > tickets
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > without
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > components:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay
> >> Izhikov <
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > nizhi...@apache.org>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache
> >> Ignite 2.7
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > release.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It means:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only
> >> previously
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > announces
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > features.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or
> >> *MERGE ALL
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > TASKS
> >> > > > > > > FOR 2.7
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > DUE
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > TO
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OCTOBER
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10*.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for
> new
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > features.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts?
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress
> tickets
> >> planned
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > to
> >> > > > > > > 2.7
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > version
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > [1].
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So is you assigned to any of this
> >> ticker
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > friendly
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > reminder
> >> > > > > > > > > > > #1,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > *the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deadline is near :)*.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300,
> Andrey
> >> Gura
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > пишет:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to
> >> ignite-2.7
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > branch
> >> > > > > > > soon.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM
> Andrey
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Kuznetsov
> >> > > > > > <
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stku...@gmail.com
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in
> critical
> >> worker
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > termination
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > detection,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see
> >> [1]. Also,
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > we
> >> > > > > > > have
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > trivial
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > yet
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to
> >> merge.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7.
> Any
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > objections?
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [2]
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13,
> >> Dmitriy Pavlov <
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as
> >> an almost
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > healthy
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > discussion
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all
> >> Igniters
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > to
> >> > > > > > > discuss
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > things
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying
> to
> >> log 'some
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > pre-build
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements'
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here. BTW
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are
> not
> >> always
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > valid.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of
> >> community
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > actions;
> >> > > > > > > it is
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > principal
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > place where
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely
> >> hope all
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > similar
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > decisions
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > will
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > building on
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dev list.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49,
> >> Nikolay
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Izhikov
> >> > > > > > > <
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nizhi...@apache.org
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11
> >> +0300, Vladimir
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Ozerov
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > пишет:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's
> >> concerns. I
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > do
> >> > > > > > > not
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > see a
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > single
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chance
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into
> 2.7
> >> scope,
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > but
> >> > > > > > > we are
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > still
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeping
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alive.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience
> >> shows, that
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > any
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > feature
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > involving
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consensus
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take
> >> weeks to be
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > finalized
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > after
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > initial
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > public
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible
> >> that at
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > some
> >> > > > > > > day in
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > October
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see it
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about
> >> testing?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > What
> >> > > > > > > about
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > regressions
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming
> >> you that
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > from
> >> > > > > > > Monday
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > a
> >> > > > > > > > > > > lot
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization.
> >> This is
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > sole
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > purpose
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pre-release
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch
> >> with deep
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > rework
> >> > > > > > > of
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > internals
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > middle
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that
> >> our
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > effrots
> >> > > > > > > will be
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > lost.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simply a
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to
> >> contributor's
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > time.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that
> this
> >> false
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > hope
> >> > > > > > > puts us
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > at
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > rush.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rush
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design, development,
> review,
> >> testing.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Result is
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > known -
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the
> project.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why
> >> don't we just
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > want to
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > move
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > it to
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > AI
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.8
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now?
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is
> >> very far
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > from
> >> > > > > > > being
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > ready.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > action
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the
> focus
> >> from
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > dates
> >> > > > > > to
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > quality
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > of the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > product, and
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that
> >> potential merge
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > will
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > defeat
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stabilization
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effrots
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at
> 8:32
> >> AM
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Vyacheslav
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > Daradur
> >> > > > > > > > > > > <
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daradu...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and
> >> versioning will
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > not be
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > implemented
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase 1,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once
> >> it is
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > finished.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella
> ticket
> >> [1] to
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > track
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > phase 1
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > scope.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new
> >> features,
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > but
> >> > > > > > > we
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > completely
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rework
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > component
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to
> >> be more
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > reliable and
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > we
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > build
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > base for
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new features.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
> >> 9:38 PM
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Dmitriy
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Setrakyan <
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrak...@apache.org>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can
> >> agree. SG
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > redesign
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > includes:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience,
> >> features like
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > these
> >> > > > > > > take
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > about
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > 1
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > month
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs,
> >> including
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > redeployment
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > tests
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > restart
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies,
> >> together with
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > overnight
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > runs.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > If
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > type of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > testing
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed,
> >> I think it
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > would be
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unreasonable
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expect
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into
> >> the
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > release.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on
> >> the
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > testing?
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
> >> 10:38 AM
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Dmitriy
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I
> >> think you're
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > a
> >> > > > > > > do'er,
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > but
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > not a
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commenter,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust
> >> your
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > opinion.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if
> >> I have
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > spare
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > cycles.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г.
> в
> >> 20:34,
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Denis
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Magda <
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dma...@apache.org>:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping
> >> in and
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > giving
> >> > > > > > > more
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > context.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general, I'm
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully for
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal
> below:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to
> >> option *a*.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should
> >> release
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 2.7
> >> > > > > > > with
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should
> >> plan 2.8
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > release at
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > end of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year with
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC
> >> stabilization
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > tasks.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28,
> 2018
> >> at 10:30
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > AM
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Nikolay
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nizhi...@apache.org>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we
> >> shouldn't put so
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > many
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > emotions
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > in
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and
> >> important as
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > SG
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > redesign.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point
> >> we all
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > agreed
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > about:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can
> >> significally
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > improve
> >> > > > > > > Ignite.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to
> >> have it in
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > product.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my
> >> vision of
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > current
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > task
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > state:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG
> is
> >> discussed
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > *and
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > aligned*
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > both:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > privately
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir
> >> Ozerov,
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Alexey
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Goncharyuk,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anton
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinogradov,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on
> >> dev-list.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > This
> >> > > > > > > task
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > is
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > done.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR
> >> state - *on my
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > review*.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time
> >> with this
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > contribution
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > and
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can
> >> fix my
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > comments
> >> > > > > > > in a
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > day
> >> > > > > > > > > > > or
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > two.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask
> of
> >> Anton
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Vinogradov
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > review
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > on
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beginning
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any
> >> community
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > member
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > wants
> >> > > > > > > > > > > to
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > help
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *by
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them
> on
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > dev-list*.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to
> >> the review -
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > you are
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > welcome.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here [1]
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we
> >> have two
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > mutually
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > exclusive
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > options
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7
> >> in planned
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > dates.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG
> >> in release
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > scope.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to
> >> option *a*.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should
> >> release
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 2.7
> >> > > > > > > with
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should
> >> plan 2.8
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > release at
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > end of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year with
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC
> >> stabilization
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > tasks.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we
> >> preparing
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > release a
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > lot
> >> > > > > > > > > > > of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back
> to
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > discussion
> >> > > > > > > of SG
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > release
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > version
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
