On 24 February 2016 at 14:21, Philippe Mouawad <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 1:04 PM, sebb <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Let's be clear what this discussion is about. >> >> JMeter already supports Groovy. >> It's not a question of whether Groovy is a good scripting language. >> >> The question is whether or not to bundle Groovy with JMeter. >> >> The only advantage I can see is that JMeter users don't have to >> download Groovy in order to use it. >> > > I don't share your opinion. > Take the beginner who downloads JMeter, to use Groovy, he must be aware > that it is available through JSR223 AND that he must download (the correct > Groovy Jar, put it in the correct folder, restart JMeter).
This is exactly the advantage I quoted; it does not add a new argument. > Meanwhile he can > screw an existing test plan that used Groovy when he migrates to a new > JMeter that does not have Groovy. If he created the plan that uses Groovy, then clearly he already has it. If it is a 3rd party plan then they ought to document that it uses Groovy. > So he selects this element and doesn't find it. Do you think he will go > further or will he use Beanshell ? (and then face all JAVA 6, 7 , 8 issues > with Beanshell ) > Read all the blogs on JMeter and you will see how many users still use > Beanshell because they are not aware of Groovy or they were not able to > set it up. Documentation is the answer here. > Why make it harder for a beginner through and even for experts to use > Groovy instead of just distributing it ? Because distribution has disadvantages. > Groovy is an Apache project ? Why not use it > Groovy is sexy, useful and sustainable, why be so reluctant with it ? Again, that is not the question. > >> The disadvantages are: >> - additional download size, even if Groovy is not needed >> > Groovy add 7mb to bundle , is this an issue nowadays ? I don't think so > >> - users will still have to download Groovy if there is a new version >> > That's the same problem as with any of our jars in lib. But Groovy is likely to be changing more rapidly, and adding new features. Most of the other jars change rarely, and JMeter generally makes use of part of them. So there is less need to update them. > > > >> and JMeter has not yet been updated. >> >> It would be useful to know: >> - what jars are needed? >> > groovy-all-2.4.5.jar Latest version is 2.4.6 > > >> - how large are they? >> >> 7mb > i.e. about twice the size of the largest jar. This adds aboiut 5% to the total jar size. > >> An alternative approach would be to provide a script to download Groovy. >> This would solve both the disadvantages I mention. >> > > Again another external script, + documentation + users aware of it > > >> >> We could even perhaps provide a template to download Groovy using JMeter. >> > > In my opinion, too complex , more work for us, more work for user > > This could be a useful sample for people to try. >> > > I am waiting for other members opinion on this. > >> >> >> On 23 February 2016 at 09:54, Milamber <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > I think that is a very good idea to add Groovy to JMeter. >> > >> > >> > On 22/02/2016 19:05, Philippe Mouawad wrote: >> >> >> >> Hello, >> >> +1 for integration as of me. >> >> Reasons: >> >> - Make user experience as simple as possible (no need to bundle >> additional >> >> libraries and manage configuration >> >> -jsr223+groovy is the most performing option compared to beanshell >> >> - as of the scripting I had to do, I always had at some step to script >> and >> >> used this combination >> >> - beanshell does not support java6/7/8 sugar syntax >> >> - groovy is an easy scripting language with the full power of java + a >> lot >> >> of additional features for xml, json manipulation, jmx ... >> >> - Groovy is now Apache :) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> On Monday, February 22, 2016, Pascal Schumacher < >> [email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi all, >> >>> >> >>> when this was last discussed, it was decided to wait till there is >> >>> official Apache release (outside of Apache Incubator) of Groovy. Groovy >> >>> 2.4.6 is the first release as a top level project and it was just >> >>> released: >> >>> >> >>> >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/groovy-users/201602.mbox/%3CCADQzvmnMENGU17_%3D9-_%3DnPDn9Ob3QsXC9iJHChT_zAWo0-CHJg%40mail.gmail.com%3E >> >>> >> >>> Cheers, >> >>> Pascal >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > > > > -- > Cordialement. > Philippe Mouawad.
