Hi Divij, First of all, let me say thanks for taking up this task.
We seem to have two options: > 1. Replace videos on the website with links to the videos OR > 2. Take a placeholder image and use JS to trigger playback after the user > clicks. > > I would suggest going with option#1 right now due to time constraints and > create a ticket to do (more user friendly) option#2 in the future.* What do > you think?* > I'm inclined to go with option #2. But taking a look at the https://apache.org/ site, there's an embedded video directly on the page, not an image or a link. So I'm wondering, since the video doesn't start playing right away and requires a user to click to start it, that the "click image to start" requirement is satisfied, as it aligns with what we see now on the Apache® Software Foundation page. Regarding the branding, that's not in the video file itself but comes from YouTube and the video's channel. I propose that we host the video on the Apache YouTube <https://www.youtube.com/c/TheApacheFoundation/featured> channel, and that would take care of the branding issue. What do you think? On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 4:19 AM Divij Vaidya <divijvaidy...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for chiming in with your opinions John/Mickael. > > The current set of videos are very helpful and removing them might be a > disservice to our users. The most ideal solution would be to host the > videos on Apache servers without any branding. Another less than ideal > solution would be to host a repository of links to educational content on > our website. > > As for the next steps, I am going to do the following which would help us > get answers on whether solution 1 or solution 2 is more feasible. Please > let me know if you think we need to do something different here. > 1. Reach out to ASF legal and ask what permissions/licence would we require > from the video owners to host the videos ourselves. > 2. Reach out to ASF community mailing list > <https://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community> > and ask how other communities are hosting educational content. > > There is still an open question about how we decide what content gets added > and what doesn't. I would propose that the model should be the same as > accepting code changes i.e. it goes through a community review requiring > votes committers/PMC members. > > Regards, > Divij Vaidya > > > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 3:57 AM John Roesler <vvcep...@apache.org> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Yes, thanks Divij for driving this! > > > > I tend to agree with Mickael about having vendor branding > > front-and-center like that. > > > > On the other hand, I think the video itself is quite nice, and > > it's a good thing to put in front of newcomers for a human > > introduction to the project. > > > > I took a look at the video on those pages, and I'm not sure > > if the videos themselves are branded. It looks like the branding > > marks are markup that YouTube pastes on top of the video. > > > > Perhaps a solution is for Kafka to set up a channel of our own > > and upload the videos there? Or maybe just host the videos > > as static resources on our site directly? Approaches like those > > are probably good policy anyway, because then we > > would control the content that shows on our site. > > > > Thanks, > > John > > > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2022, at 11:48, Mickael Maison wrote: > > > Hi Divij, > > > > > > Thanks for leading this work. > > > > > > To be honest I'm not sure what to do with the videos. I'm actually > > > wondering if these videos should be on our website at all. > > > > > > My concerns is that they are branded. I find the content of the videos > > > very good but I don't think we should include branded content from > > > vendors on the Apache website, or at least not put it front and > > > center. This is literally the first thing we show to newcomers, > > > there's one at the top of both the Intro > > > (https://kafka.apache.org/intro) and quickstart > > > (https://kafka.apache.org/quickstart) pages. > > > > > > If tomorrow another vendor was to open a PR adding their videos to > > > other pages, would we allow that? I searched the archives and couldn't > > > find a discussion about adding branded third party content to the > > > website. If I missed that, please share a link, otherwise I think this > > > should be discussed. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Mickael > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 4:08 PM Divij Vaidya <divijvaidy...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi community > > >> > > >> We have managed to fix most of the required items, thanks to Mickael > > >> Maison, Luke Chen and Tom Bentley for quick reviews. > > >> > > >> But we still need to talk about item #5 i.e. the problem with > "Embedded > > >> videos don't have an image placeholder". Quoting from the ASF > > guidelines: > > >> *Can I embed videos (from YouTube, Vimeo, etc.)?* > > >> > > >> *Yes, you can embed videos on the website, but they should load only > > after > > >> the user actively wants them to load. Arrange this by showing a > > placeholder > > >> image first and loading the video after the user clicks on the image. > > Make > > >> it clear that users who click the image will load a video from a third > > >> party.* > > >> > > >> *If you don’t want placeholder images, consider self-hosted videos and > > >> using an open source player like Plyr < > https://github.com/sampotts/plyr > > >.* > > >> > > >> We seem to have two options: > > >> 1. Replace videos on the website with links to the videos OR > > >> 2. Take a placeholder image and use JS to trigger playback after the > > user > > >> clicks. > > >> > > >> I would suggest going with option#1 right now due to time constraints > > and > > >> create a ticket to do (more user friendly) option#2 in the future.* > > What do > > >> you think?* > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Divij Vaidya > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 5:10 PM Divij Vaidya <divijvaidy...@gmail.com > > > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > Hello Apache Kafka community > > >> > > > >> > The ASF has a new data privacy policy to comply with the GDPR (the > > >> > European Union's General Data Protection Regulation) and we - like > all > > >> > other ASF projects - have been asked to update our project homepage > > >> > accordingly. > > >> > > > >> > Mickael Maison has kindly traged the initial set of requirements and > > >> > listed down the required set of changes at > > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-13868. > > >> > > > >> > I would like to bring your attention to a few PRs that address the > > >> > required changes and also solicit your comments on how I plan to > solve > > >> > others. > > >> > > > >> > 1. Our website is missing privacy policy -> Addressed by adding an > > item in > > >> > the top nav bar https://github.com/apache/kafka-site/pull/421. > > *Action - > > >> > please review the PR.* > > >> > 2. It's using Google Analytics -> I would propose that we should get > > rid > > >> > of Google Analytics in favor of Apache recommended Matomo > > >> > <https://privacy.apache.org/faq/committers.html> for website > > analytics. > > >> > If you folks agree, I would request a Matomo site ID for Apache > Kafka > > to > > >> > make the required changes. > > >> > *Action - do you agree to this change?*3. It's using Google Fonts > -> I > > >> > have moved the Google fonts to a self hosted version which is > > acceptable by > > >> > Apache in the PR https://github.com/apache/kafka-site/pull/420. > > >> > *Action - please review the PR. *4. It's using scripts hosted on > > >> > Cloudflare CDN -> We use JS scripts such as handlebars > > >> > <https://github.com/handlebars-lang/handlebars.js> and prism > > >> > <https://prismjs.com/>. Both these libraries are MIT licensed and > > hence, > > >> > could be hosted locally along with the website. I will move them > > along to > > >> > be placed along with the website. > > >> > *Action - do you agree to this change?*5. Embedded videos don't have > > an > > >> > image placeholder -> I don't have a proposed solution for this. > > *Action - > > >> > can someone with front end experience help us with this one?* > > >> > > > >> > Note that we need to make these changes by July 22nd and hence your > > >> > immediate attention would be greatly appreciated. > > >> > > > >> > Cheers! > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > Divij Vaidya > > >> > > > >> > > > >
