Hi Andrew,

Thanks for the updated KIP. Few queries below:

1. What is the use-case of deliveryCount in ShareFetchResponse?
2. During delete share groups, Do we need to clean any in-memory state from
share-partition leaders?
3. Any metrics for the share-coordinator?

Thanks
Manikumar

On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 12:11 AM Andrew Schofield <
andrew_schofield_j...@outlook.com> wrote:

> Hi Manikumar,
> Thanks for your comments.
>
> 1. I believe that in general, there are not situations in which a dynamic
> config
> change is prevented because of the existence of a resource. So, if we
> prevented
> setting config `group.type=consumer` on resource G of GROUP type
> if there was a share group G in existence, it would be a bit weird.
>
> I wonder whether changing the config name to `new.group.type` would help.
> It’s
> ensuring the type of a new group created.
>
> 2. The behaviour for a DEAD share group is intended to be the same as a
> DEAD
> consumer group. The group cannot be “reused” again as such, but the group
> ID
> can be used by a new group.
>
> 3. Yes. AlterShareGroupOffsets will cause a new SHARE_CHECKPOINT.
>
> 4. In common with Admin.deleteConsumerGroups, the underlying Kafka RPC
> for Admin.deleteShareGroups is DeleteGroups. This is handled by the group
> coordinator and it does this by writing control records (a tombstone in
> this case).
> The KIP doesn’t say anything about this because it’s the same as consumer
> groups.
> Perhaps it would be sensible to add a GroupType to DeleteGroupsRequest so
> we can
> make sure we are deleting the correct type of group. The fact that there
> is not a specific
> RPC for DeleteShareGroups seems correct to me.
>
> 5. I prefer using “o.a.k.clients.consumer” because it’s already a public
> package and
> many of the classes and interfaces such as ConsumerRecord are in that
> package.
>
> I definitely need to add more information about how the Admin operations
> work.
> I will add a section to the KIP in the next version, later today. This
> will fill in details for
> your questions (3) and (4).
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew
>
> > On 14 Feb 2024, at 18:04, Manikumar <manikumar.re...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Andrew,
> >
> > Thanks for the KIP. A few comments below.
> >
> > 1. kafka-configs.sh (incrementalAlterConfigs) allows you to dynamically
> > change the configs. Maybe in this case, we should not allow the user to
> > change `group.type` if it's already set.
> > 2. What's the behaviour after a group transitions into DEAD state. Do we
> > add new control records to reset the state? Can we reuse the group again?
> > 3. Are we going to write new control records after the
> > AlterShareGroupOffsets API to reset the state?
> > 4. Is there any API for DeleteShareGroups? I assume, group co-ordinator
> is
> > going to handle the API. If so, Does this mean the group co-ordinator
> also
> > needs to write control records?
> > 5. How about using "org.apache.kafka.clients.consumer.share" package for
> > new interfaces/classes?
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Manikumar
>
>

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