For the sequential config/changes/config_change_XX znode, do we have any
manners to do cleaning in order to avoid the change-log from growing
indefinitely?

Guozhang

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Jay Kreps <jay.kr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I still have a couple of questions:
> 1. Are we introducing a new Java API for the config change protocol and if
> so where will that appear? Is that going to be part of the java api in the
> admin api kip? Let's document that.
> 2. The proposed JSON format uses camel case for field names, is that what
> we've used for other JSON in zookeeper?
> 3. This changes the format of the notifications, right? How will we
> grandfather in the old format? Clusters will have existing change
> notifications in the old format so I think the new code will need to be
> able to read those?
>
> -Jay
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Aditya Auradkar <
> aaurad...@linkedin.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > bump
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Aditya Auradkar
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:16 PM
> > To: dev@kafka.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: [VOTE] KIP-21 Dynamic Configuration
> >
> > Hey everyone,
> >
> > Completed the changes to KIP-4. After today's hangout, there doesn't
> > appear to be anything remaining to discuss on this KIP.
> > Please vote so we can formally close this.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Aditya
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Aditya Auradkar
> > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 11:26 AM
> > To: dev@kafka.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: [VOTE] KIP-21 Dynamic Configuration
> >
> > I think we should remove the config part in TopicMetadataResponse. It's
> > probably cleaner if Alter and Describe are the only way to view and
> modify
> > configs but I don't feel very strongly about it.
> >
> > Re-summarizing the proposed changes to KIP-4:
> > - Change AlterTopic to not allow setting configs. Config changes will
> flow
> > through AlterConfig. CreateTopic will still allow setting configs as it
> is
> > nice to be able to specify configs while creating the topic.
> > - TopicMetadataResponse shoudn't return config for the topic.
> > DescribeConfig is the way to go.
> > - Change "InvalidTopicConfiguration" error code to "InvalidEntityConfig"
> > as proposed in KIP-21.
> >
> > Aditya
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Jun Rao [j...@confluent.io]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 10:50 AM
> > To: dev@kafka.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] KIP-21 Dynamic Configuration
> >
> > What about TopicMetadataResponse in KIP-4? Do we remove the config part
> in
> > it?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jun
> >
> > On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Aditya Auradkar <
> > aaurad...@linkedin.com.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Jun,
> > >
> > > I've added a section on error codes on the KIP-21 wiki.
> > >
> > > Here are the proposed changes to KIP-4. I'll update the wiki shortly.
> > > - Change AlterTopic to not allow setting configs. Config changes will
> > flow
> > > through AlterConfig. CreateTopic will still allow setting configs as it
> > is
> > > nice to be able to specify configs while creating the topic.
> > > - Change "InvalidTopicConfiguration" error code to
> "InvalidEntityConfig"
> > > as proposed in KIP-21.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Aditya
> > >
> > > ________________________________________
> > > From: Jun Rao [j...@confluent.io]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 8:41 AM
> > > To: dev@kafka.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: [VOTE] KIP-21 Dynamic Configuration
> > >
> > > Aditya,
> > >
> > > For completeness, could you list the set of error codes in the wiki?
> > Also,
> > > could you summarize the changes that are needed for the requests listed
> > in
> > > KIP-4 and update the wiki accordingly?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jun
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:33 PM, Aditya Auradkar <
> > > aaurad...@linkedin.com.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Andrii. I'll make the changes.
> > > >
> > > > I've also updated KIP-21 to include the new config requests. Take a
> > look
> > > > and vote.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-21+-+Dynamic+Configuration
> > > >
> > > > Aditya
> > > > ________________________________________
> > > > From: Andrii Biletskyi [andrii.bilets...@stealth.ly]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 2:26 PM
> > > > To: dev@kafka.apache.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [VOTE] KIP-21 Dynamic Configuration
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Sorry I wasn't able to participate. I don't have objections about
> > > removing
> > > > config changes from AlterTopic (as I understand both AddedConfig and
> > > > DeletedConfig) - you are welcome to update the KIP page.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Andrii Biletskyi
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:40 PM, Aditya Auradkar <
> > > > aaurad...@linkedin.com.invalid> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Updating the discussion with the latest comments.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. We discussed adding 2 new API's (AlterConfig and
> DescribeConfig).
> > > I'll
> > > > > update KIP-21 with details on these.
> > > > > 2. Discussed during the KIP hangout. We are in agreement.
> > > > >
> > > > > (1) has a dependency on KIP-4 being completed. Rest of the work in
> > the
> > > > KIP
> > > > > can be implemented independently. Any concerns if we tackle it as
> two
> > > > > separate work items implementation wise?
> > > > >
> > > > > We also discussed changing the AlterTopic command in KIP-4 to not
> > > include
> > > > > config changes. Instead, all config changes will pass through the
> > newly
> > > > > proposed AlterConfig. If no-one objects, I can make some changes to
> > > KIP-4
> > > > > to reflect this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Aditya
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________________
> > > > > From: Jay Kreps [jay.kr...@gmail.com]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 10:51 AM
> > > > > To: dev@kafka.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: [VOTE] KIP-21 Dynamic Configuration
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey Aditya,
> > > > >
> > > > > Two comments:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Yeah we need to reconcile this with the APIs in KIP-4. I think
> it
> > > does
> > > > > make sense to allow setting config during topic creation. I agree
> > with
> > > > your
> > > > > summary that having alter topic and alter config may be confusing,
> > but
> > > > > there are also some non-config changes such as replication factor
> and
> > > > > partition count that alter topic can carry out. What is the final
> > state
> > > > you
> > > > > are proposing?
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. This is implementation related so probably can be removed from
> the
> > > KIP
> > > > > entirely, but you seem to be proposing a separate config manager
> for
> > > each
> > > > > config override type. Should we just generalize TopicConfigManager
> to
> > > be
> > > > > ConfigOverrideManager and have it handle all the override types we
> > will
> > > > > have? I think I may just be unclear on what you are proposing...
> > > > >
> > > > > -Jay
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Aditya Auradkar <
> > > > > aaurad...@linkedin.com.invalid> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Yeah, that was just a typo. I've fixed it. Thanks for calling it
> > out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In KIP-4, I believe we have 3 types of requests: CreateTopic,
> > > > AlterTopic
> > > > > > and DeleteTopic. The topic configs are a sub-type of the Create
> and
> > > > Alter
> > > > > > commands. I think it would be nice to simply have a AlterConfig
> > > command
> > > > > > that can alter any type of config rather than having a specific
> > > > > > ClientConfig.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > AlterConfig => [ConfigType [AddedConfigEntry] [DeletedConfig]]
> > > > > > ConfigType => string
> > > > > > AddedConfigEntry => ConfigKey ConfigValue
> > > > > >     ConfigKey => string
> > > > > >     ConfigValue => string
> > > > > > DeletedConfig => string
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The downside of this approach is that we will have 2 separate
> ways
> > of
> > > > > > changing topic configs (AlterTopic and AlterConfig). While a
> > general
> > > > > > AlterConfig only makes sense if we plan to have more than two
> types
> > > of
> > > > > > entity configs.. it's definitely more future proof. Thoughts?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Aditya
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________________
> > > > > > From: Todd Palino [tpal...@gmail.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 12:39 PM
> > > > > > To: dev@kafka.apache.org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [VOTE] KIP-21 Dynamic Configuration
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Agree with Jun here on the JSON format. I think your intention
> was
> > > > likely
> > > > > > to have actual JSON here and it was just a typo in the wiki?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Todd
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Jun Rao <j...@confluent.io>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Aditya,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Another thing to consider. In KIP-4, we are adding a new RPC
> > > request
> > > > to
> > > > > > > change and retrieve topic configs. Do we want to add a similar
> > RPC
> > > > > > request
> > > > > > > to change configs per client id? If so, do we want to
> introduce a
> > > > > > separate
> > > > > > > new request or have a combined new request for both topic and
> > > client
> > > > id
> > > > > > > level config changes?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A minor point in the wiki, for the json format in ZK, we should
> > > > change
> > > > > > > {X1=Y1,
> > > > > > > X2=Y2..} to a json map, right?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jun
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Aditya Auradkar <
> > > > > > > aaurad...@linkedin.com.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-21+-+Dynamic+Configuration
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Aditya
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>



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-- Guozhang

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