And finally, as another alternative that was suggested in the past (I think
was proposed by Enrique and Ricardo, but I do not recall the details right
now), we might set up a "non supported extension repo", where we can move
all addons we have "issues" with, like this one.
The reason I am reluctant to completely remove this one is that it was
originally added by community folks in their spare time and I worried about
how it would look like for them ( I don't really know is they are still
using it or not, to be honest)


On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 12:27 PM Francisco Javier Tirado Sarti <
[email protected]> wrote:

> If that is not not working, then I suggest removing Oracle related project
> from the module list of the parent poms. That will prevent its deployment,
> but community will still have the code available for community usage.
>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 12:14 PM Francisco Javier Tirado Sarti <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Alex,
>> I think Quarkus-jdbc-oracle can be scoped to test. Can you try it?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 9:32 AM Enrique Gonzalez Martinez <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> It is fine then to remove it. That means it is required to remove
>>> those modules we support using oracle as well (unfortunately).
>>> I am ok removing it all at once.
>>> +1
>>>
>>> El vie, 26 ene 2024 a las 19:08, Tibor Zimányi (<[email protected]>)
>>> escribió:
>>> >
>>> > Thank you for the investigation Alex! With what you wrote, I personally
>>> > agree we should remove all the relevant code. I think even if it would
>>> > somehow work, it would still be a potential legal problem, so better to
>>> > remove all of it. It is in git history, so if someone would like to
>>> revive
>>> > it, it is there.
>>> >
>>> > Best regards,
>>> > Tibor
>>> >
>>> > Dňa pi 26. 1. 2024, 19:03 Alex Porcelli <[email protected]> napísal(a):
>>> >
>>> > > Coming back here with an updated PR [1] [2] set following the
>>> proposed
>>> > > concept to exclude the minimal possible amount of code....
>>> > > Unfortunately it won't work.
>>> > >
>>> > > Although pointed out that the existing effective code (not test)
>>> > > didn't require the JDBC, is not exactly accurate as you can see here
>>> > > [3] with the quarkus-jdbc-oracle (which brings the oracle driver as
>>> > > dependency). Once this dependency is removed, the module fails in
>>> > > compile time (quarkus/hibernate process the application.properties in
>>> > > compile time). I've tried all sorts of combinations in the
>>> > > application.properties, but all of them result in the same
>>> compilation
>>> > > failure by Quarkus.
>>> > >
>>> > > If the above description is true and there is no alternative, I think
>>> > > we can agree that preserving the Oracle code won't have only no
>>> tests,
>>> > > but will also mislead users with a jar that says "oracle-quarkus"
>>> that
>>> > > won't work. If this situation holds true, I'd prefer we completely
>>> > > remove the Oracle dependency (code and tests).
>>> > >
>>> > > I'd love to hear your thoughts.
>>> > >
>>> > > [1] -
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-kogito-runtimes/pull/3376
>>> > > [2] - https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-kogito-apps/pull/1969
>>> > > [3] -
>>> > >
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-kogito-apps/pull/1969/files#diff-65c393eaf9cd1897cec903ed11bee1706e53f938eb78d80520dcfbe364738ad6L44-L47
>>> > >
>>> > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 5:39 AM Francisco Javier Tirado Sarti
>>> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Hi Alex,
>>> > > > I agree with Enrique. Removing the driver from poms would have been
>>> > > enough.
>>> > > > Im afraid we will have to redo the oracle stuff (it was not easy
>>> to avoid
>>> > > > code duplication with postgres) at some moment in the future.
>>> > > > I commented on the PR on that regard.
>>> > > > So, Im really wondering, and please do not take it wrong, given
>>> than
>>> > > > Enrique and myself are the most active committer touching that code
>>> > > > section, who agreed on that?
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 10:50 AM Alex Porcelli <
>>> [email protected]>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > Enrique,
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > I might be interpreting the Category X dependency way too
>>> strictly; but
>>> > > > > it’s my current understanding that we cannot have such
>>> dependency in
>>> > > our
>>> > > > > codebase at all.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > The direction that we agreed is to avoid endless discussion and
>>> just
>>> > > remove
>>> > > > > for now; once we past the critical phase of our first release-
>>> we can
>>> > > try
>>> > > > > to explore and discuss different angles to tackle the Category X
>>> > > > > dependency; it’s just not worth spend time right now on it.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Hope it clarifies
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 3:21 AM Enrique Gonzalez Martinez <
>>> > > > > [email protected]> wrote:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > Hi Alex,
>>> > > > > > I don't understand why the code and scripts from Oracle are
>>> being
>>> > > > > > removed. If the only problem is the binary dependency I don't
>>> see
>>> > > > > > remove code for oracle is required unless Oracle word is
>>> something
>>> > > > > > subject to not being used in Apache.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > I would suggest only to remove the dependencies and for the
>>> test just
>>> > > > > > execute it conditional only if the driver is available.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Cheers :)
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > El mié, 24 ene 2024 a las 0:00, Alex Porcelli (<
>>> [email protected]>)
>>> > > > > > escribió:
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Hi Francisco and team,
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Here are the links for the PRs that remove references for
>>> Oracle
>>> > > > > > > database dependencies:
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > -
>>> > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-kogito-runtimes/pull/3369
>>> > > > > > > -
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-kogito-apps/pull/1968
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 6:36 AM Francisco Javier Tirado Sarti
>>> > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > Hi Alex,
>>> > > > > > > > Thanks for the info.k
>>> > > > > > > > Quarkus-oracle-jdbc dependency includes ojdbc11 and ori18n,
>>> > > which I'm
>>> > > > > > not
>>> > > > > > > > sure are affected by this policy.
>>> > > > > > > > However, kogito-test-utils includes oracle-xe, which seems
>>> to be
>>> > > > > > affected,
>>> > > > > > > > so I'm wondering which should be the approach? Probably
>>> removing
>>> > > the
>>> > > > > > driver
>>> > > > > > > > and the test associated with it that will start failing
>>> should be
>>> > > > > > enough.
>>> > > > > > > > Problem is that we will leave some functionality not
>>> tested but I
>>> > > > > guess
>>> > > > > > > > that's ok, since, after
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-kogito-apps/pull/1941,
>>> > > > > oracle
>>> > > > > > addon
>>> > > > > > > > delegates to generic jpa addon.
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 11:17 PM Alex Porcelli <
>>> [email protected]
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > > wrote:
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > Based on this thread [1] and this legal issue feedback
>>> [2] -
>>> > > remove
>>> > > > > > > > > Oracle driver is required to comply with Apache
>>> Foundation
>>> > > > > > > > > requirements.
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > I created the issue [3] and this is a blocker for
>>> release. I'm
>>> > > > > > > > > planning to work on this myself.
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > [1]
>>> > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/1t29vxrnhfxk63j4n6do6g8jhl6l858j
>>> > > > > > > > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-663
>>> > > > > > > > > [3]
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-issues/issues/817
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >
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