Hi PJ, The first condition is true. Persistence is implemented as addons. Hibernate is used as part of JPA persistence addon, but an user, rather than using JPA persistence addon, might use MongoDB addon. Therefore Hibernate usage is clearly optional. However, second condition is not true, because I think we are include hibernate jars in our deployment in case the user uses JPA persistence addon Anyway, this is a theoretical discussion, since the latest version of Hibernate will be compliant
On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 1:47 PM PJ Fanning <fannin...@apache.org> wrote: > If Hibernate is optional and Apache KIE (Incubating) don't ship it in any > build artifacts (and users need to install it themselves) and hopefully, we > document this - then Hibernate seems ok to me. > Although, it would be nice to upgrade to Hibernate 7 because it has > changed to an Apache license. > > > On 2025/08/07 14:53:11 Francisco Javier Tirado Sarti wrote: > > Hi, > > If I understood second bullet properly, then, having into account that we > > have different persistence implementations (the user can use none, one of > > the implemented or one of his own) , I guess the Hibernate ( which is > just > > used by the JPA persistence module on Data Index, which, by itself, its > an > > optional application of runtimes) licensing issue is not really such big > > issue, isnt it? > > > > On Thu, Aug 7, 2025 at 4:34 PM PJ Fanning <fannin...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > I do not see any exemption to ASF requirements based on a lib having > the > > > classpath exception. > > > https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html > > > > > > Apologies, I had a couple of typos in my last mail. Here is the > corrected > > > version: > > > > > > Linking to GPL licensed libs is only ok if > > > * we don't ship the lib in our convenience binaries - users need to > > > install it themselves > > > * the KIE product should be able to work without the GPL lib - ie the > GPL > > > license lib usage is optional > > > > > > On 2025/08/07 13:11:31 PJ Fanning wrote: > > > > Linking to GPL licensed libs is only ok if > > > > * we don't ship the lib in out convenience binaries - users need to > > > install it themselves > > > > * the KIE product should work with the GPL lib - ie the GPL license > lib > > > usage is optional > > > > > > > > On 2025/07/23 14:20:31 Jason Porter wrote: > > > > > Okay, cool. As long as we’re all okay with the dependencies and how > > > they line up with ASF rules, I’m good. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Jason Porter > > > > > Software Engineer > > > > > He/Him/His > > > > > > > > > > IBM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Alex Porcelli <a...@porcelli.me> > > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2025 at 08:19 > > > > > To: dev@kie.apache.org <dev@kie.apache.org> > > > > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [DISCUSSION][FYI] Use the external XML and > > > JSON Mapper libraries instead our internal copies > > > > > Those would be GPL with classpath exception, which is aligned with > JDK > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 10:15 AM Jason Porter > <jpor...@ibm.com.invalid> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Correct me if I’m wrong, but we’re not able to link to GPL > libraries > > > either. That was a sticking point with Hibernate. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Jason Porter > > > > > > Software Engineer > > > > > > He/Him/His > > > > > > > > > > > > IBM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Toni Rikkola <rikk...@apache.org> > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2025 at 01:53 > > > > > > To: dev@kie.apache.org <dev@kie.apache.org> > > > > > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] [DISCUSSION][FYI] Use the external XML and > JSON > > > Mapper libraries instead our internal copies > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently we have XML and JSON Mapper libraries in KIE that are > > > > > > duplicates of identical libraries outside of our code base. The > > > reason > > > > > > for forking them in was likely due to an old requirement that we > > > need to > > > > > > control all the source at KIE, here at Apache or back at Red > Hat. At > > > > > > this moment this is not true, if it ever was. > > > > > > > > > > > > Problem is these libraries are licensed under GPL and if GPL is > used > > > > > > inside an ASL project it consumes everything and the project is > then > > > GPL. > > > > > > > > > > > > The plan is to remove our fork and use the originals with the GPL > > > > > > linking exception. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Related ticket: > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-tools/issues/3196 > > > > > > > > > > > > Related dev list thread: > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/gsj0mxkzwpcgwztz231tr6tnnx9kxd0g > > > > > > > > > > > > Linking exception: > > > > > > https://openjdk.org/legal/gplv2+ce.html > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPL_linking_exception > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toni Rikkola > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@kie.apache.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@kie.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@kie.apache.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@kie.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@kie.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@kie.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@kie.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@kie.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@kie.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@kie.apache.org > >
