For 10 and forward yes. For older downloads, which are not part of the ASF, we need to figure out what to do with them.
-- Jason Porter Software Engineer He/Him/His IBM From: Alex Porcelli <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2025 at 19:18 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [DISCUSSION] Web site maintenance Thank you, Toshiya! In regards the downloads, I'd argue that it would be better to move to Apache. As it's the new `owner` of the brands. On Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at 9:05 PM Toshiya Kobayashi <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I have filed a GH issue for the old docs migration. I'll work on this. > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-issues/issues/2138 > > Btw, regarding old version downloads, they are still available in > > https://download.jboss.org/drools/release/ > https://download.jboss.org/optaplanner/release/ > https://download.jboss.org/jbpm/release/ > > (Note: they are not drools.org etc.) > > Do we also want to move them to kie.apache.org ? > > Regards, > Toshiya > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2025 at 11:36 PM Kennedy Bowers <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Sounds like a good idea, +1 > > > > On 2025/10/07 05:07:45 Toshiya Kobayashi wrote: > > > > Maybe we could move that content under ASF and have docs supporting > > > > older versions? > > > > > > Yes, we can. > > > > > > If there are no objections or concerns raised within the next few > > > days, I’ll create a GitHub issue for this task. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Toshiya > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 6, 2025 at 9:13 PM Alex Porcelli <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Toshyia, > > > > > > > > Thank you for the redirection, although I hear you about older version > > > > docs... and I agree. My concern is that those domains should belong to > > > > ASF, and pointing it to an external infrastructure is quite worrisome. > > > > > > > > Maybe we could move that content under ASF and have docs supporting > > > > older versions? > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 6, 2025 at 12:54 AM Toshiya Kobayashi > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > I'm happy to inform that now drools.org, optaplanner.org and jbpm.org > > > > > are redirected to https://kie.apache.org/ > > > > > > > > > > Note that docs subdomain (docs.drools.org, docs.optaplanner.org and > > > > > docs.jbpm.org) stay the same to provide old version documents. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Toshiya > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 4, 2025 at 4:16 PM Toni Rikkola <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > We need to do the same for optaplanner.org and jbpm.org. Apache > > > > > > requires us to have everything under kie.apache.org. > > > > > > > > > > > > Both of the websites have already been moved. > > > > > > > > > > > > Toni > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2025/07/04 01:40:16 Toshiya Kobayashi wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have migrated the contents to kie.apache.org. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm going to ask the administrator of drools.org web server (Red > > > > > > > Hat) to > > > > > > > redirect from https://www.drools.org to https://kie.apache.org/ > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this is not something like "proposal" or "vote", so I'm > > > > > > > notifying > > > > > > > it here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there are no objections for a few days, I'll proceed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Toshiya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 6:09 PM Toni Rikkola <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Current status. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything moved or there is an existing PR pending for a move. > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-issues/issues/1713 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The blog will stay where it is. The kie.apache.org can just > > > > > > > > have the > > > > > > > > product release and other project announcements. Everyone can > > > > > > > > blog where > > > > > > > > they want and we can even link to those blogs from our Apache > > > > > > > > site. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kie.org is pretty much just links to blogs, so nothing to move > > > > > > > > there that > > > > > > > > is not already in kie.apache.org. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a separate ticket for documentation. This only moves > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > worth the move from websites to the new location. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2025/04/28 07:44:50 Toni Rikkola wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thank you Toshiya. I will move Optaplanner. > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-issues/issues/1936 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 6:50 AM Toshiya Kobayashi < > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the initiative, Toni. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have a parent GH issue: "Migrate KIE Websites to Apache > > > > > > > > Infrastructure" > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-issues/issues/1713 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I added a sub-issue : "Migrate drools.org to kie-website" : > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-issues/issues/1934 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toshiya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 3:23 PM Toni Rikkola > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can start the work for drools and Toshiya offered help. > > > > > > > > > > > I can also > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > on Optaplanner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That leaves jbpm. I know dmn had a site setup, but not > > > > > > > > > > > sure if we > > > > > > > > > > need/want > > > > > > > > > > > a separate section for it in the future? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 2:56 AM Craig Russell > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peanut here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Toni sez. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right now, an internet search for "drools" returns > > > > > > > > > > > > links to the > > > > > > > > > > obsolete > > > > > > > > > > > > drools.org <http://drools.org/ > web site, which makes > > > > > > > > > > > > it seem like > > > > > > > > > > > drools > > > > > > > > > > > > is dead. The downloads on the site are years old. Wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd suggest to copy any current data still on > > > > > > > > > > > > drools.org < > > > > > > > > > > > > http://drools.org/ > to a section on kie.apache.org < > > > > > > > > > > > http://kie.apache.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > In "no time at all" search engines will notice that > > > > > > > > > > > > drools is now > > > > > > > > homed > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > kie. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Until the domain expires, now redirect drools.org < > > > > > > > > http://drools.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > kie.apache.org <http://kie.apache.org/ > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless this is done, the project is missing out on a > > > > > > > > > > > > lot of > > > > > > > > possible > > > > > > > > > > > users. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same for other domains that are now kie projects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HTH, > > > > > > > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2025, at 03:57, Toni Rikkola > > > > > > > > <[email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right now we have drools.org and kie.apache.org and I > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess the > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > goes > > > > > > > > > > > > > for every other subproject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Old sites > > > > > > > > > > > > > * They break the copyrights that Apache now has for > > > > > > > > > > > > > KIE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > * They get a lot of hits and the site contents are > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.5 years old. > > > > > > > > > > > > Basically > > > > > > > > > > > > > they say the project is dead, use something else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > * No updates. No mentions of the Apache releases > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Can go down at any moment since this community does > > > > > > > > > > > > > not fund > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New site > > > > > > > > > > > > > * No content > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both > > > > > > > > > > > > > * No, or minimal, resources to maintain them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking at the fact that it has been years. It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear we have > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > motivation or man power to maintain these. So the > > > > > > > > > > > > > question is > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > shortest path to victory? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My suggestion is we use the domains and forward to > > > > > > > > kie.apache.org as > > > > > > > > > > > > soon > > > > > > > > > > > > > as possible. 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