Hi Kevin, Nah we're fine.
At Apache we're about consensus. There's nothing binding about a release manager decision -- it's mainly the person who desires to do the work. I just wanted to formalize at least: * a bit of a waiting period (to all everyone to contribute to the discussion -- they did, at least those that had an opinion) * to get in the habit of discussing things that require others' feedback, more for social Issues. I encourage Knox at the ASF to only use VOTEs for absolutely necessary things (releases; addition of new personnel). However when a discussion has happened like this, new community, more +1s than -1s, no VETOs, etc., you can simply call it here, save the VOTE thread, and say "looks like there are no objections, I'm moving forward". And then ...move forward :) Cheers, Chris On 3/27/13 6:27 AM, "Kevin Minder" <[email protected]> wrote: >So there are three +1s (Chris,Larry,Sumit) on a discuss thread. My >assumption is that someone (me?) needs to start a [VOTE] thread to make >this official. Will the three +1's be sufficient to create a binding >decision? > >On 3/21/13 11:28 AM, Sumit Mohanty wrote: >> +1 >> >> On 3/21/13 5:16 AM, "larry mccay" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> On Mar 21, 2013 1:57 AM, "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Kevin, >>>> >>>> So, implied in your statements are that you would like to be the >>>>release >>>> manager for Apache Knox (incubating) <first version #>. >>>> >>>> You've got my +1. >>>> >>>> I'll leave this thread open for 48+ hrs and if I don't hear objections >>>> to my proposal (based on your implication) then let's assume you can >>>>be >>>> the initial RM. >>>> >>>> Fair enough? >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3/20/13 4:00 PM, "Kevin Minder" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> So in trying to get ready to do a release I do really need help >>>> figuring >>>>> out a few things. Clearly trying to figure it all out myself is >>>>> inappropriate. >>>>> >>>>> 1. LICENSE and NOTICE - I think I know what to do but how do I know >>>>>if >>>>> I'm right? Will someone be auditing this? >>>>> 2. Artifact signatures - No idea how this is typically done for a >>>>>Java >>>>> project. Any pointers? >>>>> 3. What else needs to be in place to initiate a release vote? >>>>> >>>>> So basically I'm personally interested in starting the process of >>>>> releasing 0.2.0. How knows how many RCs it will take. Do we need to >>>>> vote on starting that? >>>>> >>>>> On 3/20/13 6:53 PM, Kevin Minder wrote: >>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>> Lets see, this is all just a symptom of me learning the ropes here >>>> and >>>>>> transitioning into the open development mode. So let me address >>>>>>each >>>>>> point I believed was raised so that I get concrete feedback about >>>>>>how >>>>>> to improve and proceed. >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Snapshot upload >>>>>> >>>>>> I certainly understand the "second class" citizen concern here and I >>>>>> was concerned about it myself. At the time I thought my only option >>>>>> was a private email about the upload. I thought that was worse that >>>>>> discussing it publically. Ideally I would expect these type of >>>>>> frequent snapshot distributions to be built via CI. We don't have >>>>>> that setup yet. I will file a Jira for that but given the >>>> information >>>>>> I received in the general@incubator thread this seemed like it could >>>>>> take awhile. In the meantime I like Alan's suggestion of uploading >>>> to >>>>>> apache.org/~kminder. I'll do that and send another email. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Release vote >>>>>> >>>>>> We want to avoid co-development at all costs too but at the same >>>>>>time >>>>>> we still need to make progresss, name and cut "unofficial releases" >>>> to >>>>>> evaluate both at Hortonworks and also to court potential community >>>>>> members. What should we be calling these to stay within the rules? >>>> I >>>>>> specifically left the SNAPSHOT in everything as an attempt. I >>>>>>expect >>>>>> that there is still significant work that needs to be done to create >>>>>> something that will pass legal for an official Apache release. I >>>> have >>>>>> more work to do to understand exactly what needs to be in the >>>>>>LICENSE >>>>>> and NOTICE files at a minimum. When that was done I was planning on >>>>>> asking about calling for a vote. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. v0.1.0 and v0.2.0-rc1 >>>>>> >>>>>> We had all of our history from the GitHub repository imported into >>>> the >>>>>> Apache Git repo where we have continued working. Therefore there >>>>>>are >>>>>> existing tags for the v0.1.0 and v0.2.0-rc1 so I thought it made the >>>>>> most sense to continue on. I do acknowledge in hindsight that this >>>> is >>>>>> something that should have been discussed. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. Co-development >>>>>> >>>>>> There is no active private repository for this. Everything is being >>>>>> committed to the Apache git repo at this point. Larry and I in >>>>>> particular need to find the right balance between high bandwidth >>>> brain >>>>>> storming (e.g. face:face, IM, phone) and email discussions on >>>> dev@knox. >>>>>> 4. Jira >>>>>> >>>>>> Devarj filed INFRA-5922 on March 1st to have Jira setup. I would >>>> much >>>>>> rather be using the Apache Jira so anything that can be done to >>>>>>speed >>>>>> that up would be appreciated. I'll take the reference to the >>>>>> Hortonworks Jira out of the docs and I guess we will just have to >>>> keep >>>>>> track of any issues discovered in email. I'll come up with some >>>> email >>>>>> subject convention (e.g. [BUG]) >>>>>> >>>>>> Continued feedback appreciated. >>>>>> Kevin. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3/20/13 5:49 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: >>>>>>> Hey Guys, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> RE: #3, after looking at it in more detail, we need to remove >>>>>>> references >>>>>>> to internal Hortonworks JIRA's in our Apache documentation. I >>>> realize >>>>>>> Hortonworks >>>>>>> people have their own company systems, etc. Those should not be >>>>>>> confused >>>>>>> with their Apache (!Hortonworks) counterparts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do we have an Apache Knox JIRA? If not, I would be glad to request >>>> one. >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 3/20/13 2:46 PM, "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Kevin, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm not sure what this email means, but I'm worried by its >>>>>>>>context. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Are you suggesting that you have released a version of Apache >>>>>>>>Knox, >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> a version # 0.2.0? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If so, then I have the following statements/questions: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. Apache releases are VOTEd on by the Apache Knox PPMC and by the >>>>>>>> Apache >>>>>>>> Incubator PMC >>>>>>>> (whose VOTEs are the binding ones in this process atm). Unless I >>>>>>>> missed >>>>>>>> it, >>>>>>>> I didn't see a VOTE thread, so I'm not sure how you released >>>>>>>>Apache >>>>>>>> Knox. >>>>>>>> See: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html >>>>>>>> Small note: where is RC1? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2. It looks like there is development occurring internally at >>>>>>>> Hortonworks >>>>>>>> here. >>>>>>>> Why? Co-developing wastes community resources. All of you guys >>>>>>>>here >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> are interested >>>>>>>> in the project should be developing here. Of course there are >>>> naming >>>>>>>> issues, etc., >>>>>>>> associated with this, but more importantly there are community >>>>>>>> issues. So >>>>>>>> I request >>>>>>>> clarification on this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3. Great job on the documentation! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Looking forward to the clarifications. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 3/20/13 2:35 PM, "Kevin Minder" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>>>> I decided to cut and share v0.2.0 RC2 of the gateway. I tagged >>>> the >>>>>>>>> repo >>>>>>>>> with v0.2.0-rc2. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For those in Hortonworks I uploaded a ZIP here >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> https://docs.google.com/a/hortonworks.com/file/d/0BzcmnaxIHtiAZkxhQWZC >>>>>>>>> Q21 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> y >>>>>>>>> WTA/edit >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Everyone else should be able to create their own following these >>>>>>>>> instructions. >>>>>>>>> http://knox.incubator.apache.org/release-process.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Apache site is starting to come along. >>>>>>>>> http://knox.incubator.apache.org/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of particular interest are the links in the Documentation section >>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>> left Nav bar. >>>>>>>>> http://knox.incubator.apache.org/getting-started.html >>>>>>>>> http://knox.incubator.apache.org/examples.html >>>>>>>>> http://knox.incubator.apache.org/client.html >>>>>>>>> http://knox.incubator.apache.org/sandbox.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I wrote and reorganized a bunch of documentation over the last >>>>>>>>>few >>>>>>>>> days >>>>>>>>> and I haven't "tested" all of it yet. So there may need to be >>>> some >>>>>>>>> tweaks there and an RC3. Functionally however the more eyes the >>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>> so give it a spin. We are especially interested in feedback. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kevin. >>>> >> >
