Thorsten Scherler wrote:
El jue, 26-01-2006 a las 22:25 +0100, Michael Wechner escribió:
Gregor J. Rothfuss wrote:
Michael Wechner wrote:
Also I think we should send some feedback to Seth Gottlieb about
stuff which
is wrong (some might depend on the perception) and he will hopefully
fix.
what did you think was wrong? i thought it was pretty accurate,
including the paragraph on community.
...
The community has certainly not slowed, but rather increased. Just take
a look at the statitics resp. the traffic
on the mailing list and commit messages with actual content resp,
quality of changes.
Static of user list:
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cms.lenya.user
We are raising ATM again.
Static of dev list:
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cms.lenya.devel
We are falling ATM again.
Static of cvs list:
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cms.lenya.cvs
We are pretty high ATM but had more traffic in the past.
Resuming the user traffic is more or less the same as ever, the traffic
on dev and the commits had been higher sometimes but I cannot see a
clear trend in neither direction. It is cyclical, which is perfectly
fine.
thanks for the links.
Nevertheless one has to be aware, that figures (traffic) is
one thing, quality another. Also another figure which would be
interesting is the number
of users/devs being subscribed. Also I know "a lot" people who don't
really show up on
the mailing list, but are using the archives for solving their problems.
Also a lot
of questions are Cocoon/XML/XSLT questions and people will ask them on
the appropriate
mailing lists. Also Lenya might be just good, such that people don't
need to ask ;-)
whereas to be honest I cannot believe this. On the other hand you might
want to
subscribe to certain Apache httpd lists and one will see that traffic is
very low,
but I guess nobody will doubt, that Apache httpd is a very successful
project/product.
What I want to say is that sometimes certain figures can be misleading
and one has
to consider more than one might think in the first place.
One should not deduce from oneself's activity to that of others ....
I reckon what Michi wanted to say is that we miss the productive traffic
produces by Gregor. ;-)
no, I meant it as very general statement.
...
Well, it's true we haven't released 1.2.5 on schedule and should do this
as soon as possible and we are also
very bad at marketing ( ... two more days till releasing ... one more
day till releasing ... ), but
1.4 has certainly not stalled at all, and people still actively apply
bugfixes to 1.2.x.
Our release process, that have been managed many times by Gregor in the
past, has really just stalled.
well, we should try to find a Release Manager which volunteers on doing
regular releases. It's work and I perfectly understand that people are
hesitant to volunteer, because it's not as much fun as programming.
But yes, blessed will be the one who wants to commit him/herself creating
releases according to our 2-monthly release plan ;-)
... but not the development. The quota between 1.4 commits and 1.2 is
stately raising in favor for 1.4.
http://lenya.apache.org/changes.html
I pointed out some time ago that we need to start releasing again on a
regular basis but there have been close to no reaction on this thread.
I remember asking for this as well (last autumn) and didn't get any
reply ;-)
Maybe we can change this by trying to automatize creating the releases
(part of this is already by the build) and simplifying the release howto:
http://wiki.apache.org/lenya/ProjectReleaseHowTo
because it seems to be awful complicated if I might say so.
Michi
salu2
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