On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 00:22 +0200, Michael Wechner wrote: > Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: ...
> so, why aren't they being listed? I think they should be listed for the > record, for other people (e.g. contributors) to learn from how far one > has to go to become a committer, for people who are not being able to > follow every detail as other people are being able to, etc. > > Doesn't that make sense? It makes sense to create documentation about how to become an apache lenya committer, like: http://forrest.apache.org/committed.html or http://wiki.apache.org/nutch/Becoming_A_Nutch_Developer ...but I reckon you prefer giving good advice and asking rhetoric questions instead to contribute such documentation or are you willing to spent some time on such documentation? If not, I reckon you are more focused on spreading FUD then actually helping the Lenya community, or? Isn't it so much easier to criticize people, then actually doing some work? Don't you think that all the prior vote threads in the archive that contain hints what we are looking for in a committer aren't enough? Do you think people are not intelligent enough to look up the mailing list archive? The reason why I have chosen not to meet *YOUR* demand is quite simple, I want that more people review the mailing list and the bugzilla themselves and starting to think what and who is good for this community. Don't you think more people should help identifying potential committer? > > > > > now you pick out single lines of other people's postings, generalize > > statements that were never meant as such, and ask rhethorical > > questions that sometimes border on hostile yet seldom convey a > > palpable personal standpoint. you claim ideals of good-will, openness > > and meritocracy, but frequently phrase them in a way as to be plain > > rude to people. > > > why do you think these questions are rude? I don't think so. lol. Yeah and in the end that is the only thing that count, your own opinion, isn't it? Three different PMC members have already pointed out that we consider them rude, but I do not see that you are willing to listen to this people. We are all equal here, but you are more equal then the rest, aren't you? > > > > i know i can be obnoxious at times, but people can just should at me > > and tell me i'm a jerk. your style of hiding behind suggestions and > > rhetorical questions is rather more difficult to deal with, and not > > likely to foster an open discussion. > > > I am not hiding at all by posing questions, but I am asking questions > because I would like to get some statements. I doubt that, since we (different people) are pointing out (for a while now) that your way of asking question is quite offending, but you make no intentions to enhance it, do you not care about what other say? > If you might remember I was answering Thomas' question why I started Yanel. > Have you seen an answer from Thorsten lately why he is considering Alfresco? > > Ask me stuff and I will be happy to answer (if time permits ;-) 1) I am tiered that you spread FUD about me and take words out of my mouth. On 2007-04-27 23:02:22 I wrote: "...I am ATM evaluating different CMS for my current client and one of them is Alfresco. ..." Meaning I never stated anything about what I consider or not. More I clearly stated that I act on MY CLIENT assignment. Using this sentence to state I am considering Alfresco, is FUD! The Spanish government (which is my client) is evaluating around 10 different CMS (like Plone, Alfresco, Liferay, Daisy, Magnolia, ...). The evaluation is not meet to be published on a public mailing list and is very specific for different public organizations here in Spain. 2) I just got twins and my time is very limited. Your statement implies that I do not answer if my time permits, again FUD. If you have a look in our changes listed on the website you will find that I am one of few that each month is committing to the project (unless like you!). I prefer doing some work then feeding your FUD. Do you think that I do not spent enough time on lenya? Are you not aware that I am as well active on other Apache projects? 3) Comparing your actions with mine regarding the involvement of different CMS development is comparing apples with oranges, don't you think? > > > > why do you resign from pmc duties one week and start guideline > > discussions the next? > > > well, I am still a committer and have to follow guidelines. I am still > an ASF member and think it's my responsibility to make sure that > guidelines an ASF bylaws are being followed. lol Funny, you normally do not pay much attention to our guidelines or stuff we asked you million times before, why didn't you change the subject line to prevent the odd situation in the voting thread? I want to point out that you REFUSED to review our guidelines when I made the guidelines proposal, haven't you? How can you follow guidelines that you refused to read? ... > I have resigned from PMC because I seem to have a very different opinion > where Lenya should go to and how this community should operate, but I am > ready to accept this and after a very long time expressing my opinion > without any change I don't think it makes sense to further spend time on it. > > Makes sense? No, regarding the above paragraph you do not want to spend more time on this discussions, so what are you doing? Your words does not compute with your actions further you are contradict yourself from one mail to the other! > > > sorry, but this looks like trolling to me, especially since you have > > decided not to contribute to lenya anymore. > > > I haven't decided to stop contributing anymore. One commit in the last 6 month is saying something else, isn't it?. I agree with Jörn, your actions look like a little kid that lost its favorite toy and now is producing disturbance with the other kids out of defiance. ... > > imnsho we have way too much meta-talk about guidelines, meritocracy, > > pmc roles and whatnot, and way too little work is getting done. > > > I think this community will only survive in the long term if each member > will stick to guidelines and rules, whereas understanding the reasoning > of these guidelines is key and not the guidelines themselves. So why aren't you the leading example? Seems you are just waiting that this projects will fail, to be able to say "I told you so", aren't you? > But it's a > problem of getting to know people. This is why "being around for some > time" is not such a bad quality ;-) but it's also important to know why > somebody is being around :-) Again see above 1) I am tiered that you spread FUD about me and take words out of my mouth. On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 14:58 +0200, Thorsten Scherler wrote: > However it is not "being around for some time" like you state, why I > propose him. I explicitly state that being around is not a criteria! YOU said this! So why you pervert my word saying: On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 15:14 +0200, Michael Wechner wrote: > You already started with one quality: Bob has been around for some > time Are you incredible ignorant or high on something or just want to piss people off? DO NOT put words in my mouth and do not spread FUD! salu2 P.S.: I did not wanted to get involved in such discussion anymore, because I have no time ATM at all and very tiered of this ego centric way of discussions. P.P.S.: If I do not give an answer for a while it may be that I need to change dippers, feed the babies, work in my profession or sleep. -- Thorsten Scherler thorsten.at.apache.org Open Source Java consulting, training and solutions --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
