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That sounds like JPMS in general to be honest, but I'm just being cynical. ;) On 23 April 2017 at 11:34, Gary Gregory <[email protected]> wrote: > On Apr 23, 2017 9:19 AM, "Matt Sicker" <[email protected]> wrote: > > One potential scenario I see is that many users may just end up disabling > JPMS in all their applications to the point that it's significantly revised > or scaled back for Java 10 or later. > > > That's my plan the first time I see an IllegalAccessError :-( what is the > command line kill switch called? > > Gary > > > On 23 April 2017 at 11:04, Gary Gregory <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Worse: Are Java 9 modules its Titanic? > > https://developer.jboss.org/blogs/scott.stark/2017/04/14/ > > critical-deficiencies-in-jigsawjsr-376-java-platform- > > module-system-ec-member-concerns > > > > > > Gary > > > > On Apr 22, 2017 5:02 PM, "Ralph Goers" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > This is an interesting look at the problems faced in getting Hibernate > to > > > work. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/43258796/hibernate- > > > support-for-java-9 <http://stackoverflow.com/ > > questions/43258796/hibernate- > > > support-for-java-9>. > > > > > > The issue with the compile problem with javax.xml are familiar to me - > I > > > had to modify some Log4j code to not use the DataType converter as it > > isn’t > > > present in the java.base module. > > > > > > Ralph > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Ralph Goers <[email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Oh - I just reread this. S far as I know Java 9 has a scheduled > release > > > date. It is July 27. > > > > > > > > BTW - here is the complete set of features - > https://docs.oracle.com/ > > > javase/9/whatsnew/toc.htm#JSNEW-GUID-BA9D8AF6-E706-4327- > > 8909-F6747B8F35C5 > > > <https://docs.oracle.com/javase/9/whatsnew/toc.htm# > > > JSNEW-GUID-BA9D8AF6-E706-4327-8909-F6747B8F35C5>. > > > > > > > > Ralph > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Apr 22, 2017, at 10:45 AM, Gary Gregory <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Let me play devil's advocate here for a sec... > > > >> > > > >> Java 9 modules and this auto naming business sounds painful. Is > there > > > any > > > >> chance that this feature will be ignored like java.util.logging is > or > > > >> should be? > > > >> > > > >> Can we stop tying ourselves into unreleased pretzels over a moving > > > target > > > >> since we do not know when Java 9 will be out. > > > >> > > > >> Can't we refocus this energy on getting the best out of Java 8? > > > >> > > > >> Ducking from incoming tomatoes, > > > >> Gary > > > >> > > > >> On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 8:48 PM, Matt Sicker <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> I'm a fan of splitting packages up better due to OSGi support in > the > > > first > > > >>> place. Hierarchical packaging is definitely something new (OSGi > > doesn't > > > >>> care about that; each package is considered separately), and it > could > > > help > > > >>> in making some classes more organized. > > > >>> > > > >>> On 21 April 2017 at 14:55, Stefan Bodewig <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> On 2017-04-21, Ralph Goers wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> I have not started work on this yet, but from looking at > > > >>>>> http://blog.joda.org/2017/04/java-9-modules-jpms-basics.html > > > >>>>> <http://blog.joda.org/2017/04/java-9-modules-jpms-basics.html> > it > > > >>>>> seems we are going to have problems with a) plugins that are in > > > >>>>> different jars (modules) that use the same namespace and b) > > > log4j-core > > > >>>>> as it currently exists. > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> Item b is a problem because the module-info for log4j-core should > > > have > > > >>>>> a requires ONLY for log4j-api. For example, I’m not sure how we > can > > > >>>>> have an optional dependency on Jackson. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> requires static module-name-of-jackson; > > > >>>> > > > >>>> http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~mr/jigsaw/spec/lang-vm.html section > > 1.1.1 > > > >>>> > > > >>>> The requires keyword may be followed by the modifier static. > This > > > >>>> specifies that the dependence, while mandatory at compile time, > is > > > >>>> optional at run time. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Of course "requires static" captures this way more clearly than > > > "require > > > >>>> optional" which was proposed intially > > > >>>> http://openjdk.java.net/projects/jigsaw/doc/topics/optional.html > > > >>>> > > > >>>> :-) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Without knowing the structure of log4j too well I agree the strict > > > >>>> package hierarchies mandated by JPMS will be a problem. 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