> Sorry to be pedantic, but what Apache rules apply to the previous 
> DISCUSS/VOTE thread?

There's no need to apologize, the rules exist for a reason!

> It should be telling, not ironic, that the last two contributors to Log4j 1 
> that are still here voted -1

This is a great point which I hadn't realized myself. For what it's worth, I 
would consider _my_ vote with much less weight than those who have actually 
contributed to and maintained the log4j-1 project.

-ck

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, at 12:05, Gary Gregory wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 11:47 AM Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > As we all know Log4j 1.x reached end of life in August 2015. Log4j 1.2.17
> > was released on May 26, 2012. The last commit was to update the
> > web site 7 years ago. The changes.xml file shows there were commits up to
> > sometime in 2012, all of which were performed by Gary Gregory
> > and Christian Grobmeier who ironically both voted no to opening the repo
> > back up.
> 
> 
> Note that the repo DISCUSS/VOTE thread seemed informal because it did
> specify the rules for -1/+1: Is a -1 a VETO or does the VOTE follow RELEASE
> rules? This is obviously not a RELEASE though. Sorry to be pedantic, but
> what Apache rules apply to the previous DISCUSS/VOTE thread?
> 
> It should be telling, not ironic, that the last two contributors to Log4j 1
> that are still here voted -1, but, if, big if, we (1) move fw the repo and
> (2) then w a release... I'll opine ;-)
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > The point of this history is to point out that the project essentially
> > died in 2012. We simply acknowledged it in 2015.
> >
> > So now we have voted to open the repo. The question then becomes what to
> > do next and going forward. I see several options:
> >
> 
> What happens to the new repo Ralph created, will it just be deleted?
> 
> 
> >
> > 1. Create a README.md that publishes the projects EOL status and do
> > nothing else.
> >
> Fine with me.
> 
> 
> > 2. Create a README.md that says the project is EOL and no further big
> > fixes or enhancements will be made but 1.2.18 was a special
> >     circumstance. Perform ONLY the following work for 1.2.18:
> >     a.  Make the build work with a modern version of Maven.
> >
> If we move fw w the repo, this seems like a no-brainer requirement IMO.
> 
> 
> >     b.  Fix the Java version bug.
> >
> Not sure what that one is, but If we move fw w the repo, OK.
> 
>     c.  Fix CVE-2021-4104 (expanded to address all JNDI components)
> >
> If we move fw w the repo, OK
> 
> 
> >     d.  Fix CVE-2019-17571
> >     The expectation is that the above would address the actual issues and
> > not just remove classes.
> >
> If we move fw w the repo, OK.
> 
> 
> >     Do NOT perform a release of any kind.
> >
> 3. Option 2 but only perform a source release.
> > 4. Option 2 but perform a full release.
> >
> Seems like the better solution b/w 3 and 4, a source only feels like a
> tease if not worse.
> 
> 
> > 5. Option 4 but allow development to continue, including bug fixes and
> > enhancements.
> >
> -1 there. 1.x remains EOL. Focus on 1.2 bridge code in 2.x.
> 
> Thank you Ralph but putting this list together! :-)
> Gary
> 
> 
> >
> > I personally can see valid reasons to do any of the above.  I have my own
> > opinion on this but I will post that in a reply to this discussion kickoff.
> >
> > If you have other proposals feel free to state them.
> >
> > This discussion will be followed up by a vote thread if necessary.
> >
> > Ralph
> >
> >
> >
> 

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