I think that me in “violent agreement” with you. Let’s understand the Annotations approach that we have, or pick something that is commonly used like JAX-RS / Jersey.
> On Sep 30, 2020, at 11:41 AM, Timothy Potter <thelabd...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean by "make it a single pattern (the > annotations?)" Eric? > > To me, the pattern is well established in the Java world: JAX-RS (with Jersey > as the underlying impl. which has nice integration with Jetty). But when I > suggested porting the code that uses restlet to JAX-RS / Jersey, Ishan said > that wasn't necessary and is already supported with some Annotations ... I > have no idea what that means and need more info about what is already in > place. Short of that, replacing restlet with JAX-RS / Jersey looks like a > trivial amount of work to me (and I'm happy to take it on). > > Tim > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 9:36 AM Eric Pugh <ep...@opensourceconnections.com > <mailto:ep...@opensourceconnections.com>> wrote: > The use case of “I want to update something via a API” is I think pretty > common, and it would be nice to make it a single pattern (the annotations?) > with lots of examples/developer docs for the next person. > > > >> On Sep 30, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Timothy Potter <thelabd...@gmail.com >> <mailto:thelabd...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I started looking into removing Managed Resources in master and wanted to >> mention that the LTR contrib also relies on this framework >> (ManagedModelStore and ManagedFeatureStore, see: >> https://lucene.apache.org/solr/guide/8_6/learning-to-rank.html#uploading-a-model >> >> <https://lucene.apache.org/solr/guide/8_6/learning-to-rank.html#uploading-a-model>). >> I only mention this b/c it's been said several times in this thread that >> nobody uses this feature and it's only for editing config/schema like >> synonyms. Afaik, LTR is a broadly used feature of Solr so now I'm not so >> bullish on removing the ability to manage dynamic resources using a REST >> like API. I agree that changing resources like the synonym set could be >> replaced with configSet updates but I don't see how to replace the RESTful >> model / feature store API w/o something like Managed Resources? >> >> From where I sit, I think we should just remove the use of restlet in the >> implementation but keep the API for Solr 9 (master). >> >> @Ishan ~ you mentioned there is a way to get REST API like behavior w/o >> using JAX-RS / Jersey ... something about annotations? Can you point me to >> some example code of how that is done please? >> >> Cheers, >> Tim >> >> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 8:29 AM David Smiley <dsmi...@apache.org >> <mailto:dsmi...@apache.org>> wrote: >> These resources are fundamentally a part of the configSet and can (in >> general) affect query results and thus flushing caches (via a reload) is >> appropriate. >> >> ~ David Smiley >> Apache Lucene/Solr Search Developer >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwsmiley >> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwsmiley> >> >> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 9:06 AM Noble Paul <noble.p...@gmail.com >> <mailto:noble.p...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Well, I believe we should have a mechanism to upload a single file to >> a configset. >> >> > A single file configset upload would require the user to reload the >> > collection, so it isn't better than managed resources. >> >> This is not true >> >> Only config/schema file changes result in core reload. >> >> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 10:23 PM David Smiley <dsmi...@apache.org >> <mailto:dsmi...@apache.org>> wrote: >> > >> > Definitely don't remove in 8.x! >> > >> > > A single file configset upload would require the user to reload the >> > > collection, so it isn't better than managed resources. >> > >> > Do you view that as a substantial point in favor of managed-resources? I >> > view that as a trivial matter, and one I prefer to automagic and >> > potentially premature reload if there are additional edits to be done >> > (e.g. query-elevation or other word lists). >> > >> > ~ David Smiley >> > Apache Lucene/Solr Search Developer >> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwsmiley >> > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwsmiley> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 5:46 AM Ishan Chattopadhyaya >> > <ichattopadhy...@gmail.com <mailto:ichattopadhy...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> >> > * Nobody knows how it works. It's unsupported >> >> It is supported and documented: >> >> https://lucene.apache.org/solr/guide/8_6/managed-resources.html >> >> <https://lucene.apache.org/solr/guide/8_6/managed-resources.html> >> >> >> >> > * RESTlet dependency >> >> > * Cannot be secured using standard permissions >> >> > * It's extremely complex for the functionality it offers. >> >> >> >> I agree. Whatever alternative we build should address these, before we >> >> consider removing managed resources. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 2:52 PM Ishan Chattopadhyaya >> >> <ichattopadhy...@gmail.com <mailto:ichattopadhy...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> The managed resources is the only reasonable way to upload synonyms on >> >>> the fly for users today. A single file configset upload would require >> >>> the user to reload the collection, so it isn't better than managed >> >>> resources. I would not recommend we remove the functionality without >> >>> first building a suitable alternative. I agree that the feature isn't >> >>> built using proper framework or proper APIs, but it is a feature that >> >>> works well. >> >>> >> >>> Usually, I support throwing features out even without existence of an >> >>> alternative, but I do that for non essential features. In my mind, >> >>> ability to manage synonyms elegantly is an essential feature for a >> >>> search engine. >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, 30 Sep, 2020, 2:44 pm Uwe Schindler, <u...@thetaphi.de >> >>> <mailto:u...@thetaphi.de>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Please don't do this. >> >>>> >> >>>> In short: remove restlet stuff from master. Pull requests on master are >> >>>> executed with Gradle on GitHub hardware. >> >>>> >> >>>> Ivy stuff in 8.x is built in more or less persistent servers and there >> >>>> is no issue. >> >>>> >> >>>> What's the problem? >> >>>> >> >>>> Uwe >> >>>> >> >>>> Am September 30, 2020 8:59:06 AM UTC schrieb Ishan Chattopadhyaya >> >>>> <ichattopadhy...@gmail.com <mailto:ichattopadhy...@gmail.com>>: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Can we discuss this with ASF and get an exception for this? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Wed, 30 Sep, 2020, 11:57 am Dawid Weiss, <dawid.we...@gmail.com >> >>>>> <mailto:dawid.we...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> We can't have or redistribute binaries in ASL sources - that's my >> >>>>>> understanding. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Dawid >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 10:02 PM Ishan Chattopadhyaya >> >>>>>> <ichattopadhy...@gmail.com <mailto:ichattopadhy...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > Can we pull in the jar inside our codebase? >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > On Wed, 30 Sep, 2020, 1:19 am Dawid Weiss, <dawid.we...@gmail.com >> >>>>>> > <mailto:dawid.we...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> We can upgrade if it doesn't break anything... which I can't >> >>>>>> >> guarantee. ;) >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> Dawid >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org >> >>>>>> <mailto:dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org> >> >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org >> >>>>>> <mailto:dev-h...@lucene.apache.org> >> >>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Uwe Schindler >> >>>> Achterdiek 19, 28357 Bremen >> >>>> https://www.thetaphi.de <https://www.thetaphi.de/> >> >> >> >> -- >> ----------------------------------------------------- >> Noble Paul >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org >> <mailto:dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org >> <mailto:dev-h...@lucene.apache.org> >> > > _______________________ > Eric Pugh | Founder & CEO | OpenSource Connections, LLC | 434.466.1467 | > http://www.opensourceconnections.com <http://www.opensourceconnections.com/> > | My Free/Busy <http://tinyurl.com/eric-cal> > Co-Author: Apache Solr Enterprise Search Server, 3rd Ed > <https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/apache-solr-enterprise-search-server-third-edition-raw> > > This e-mail and all contents, including attachments, is considered to be > Company Confidential unless explicitly stated otherwise, regardless of > whether attachments are marked as such. > _______________________ Eric Pugh | Founder & CEO | OpenSource Connections, LLC | 434.466.1467 | http://www.opensourceconnections.com <http://www.opensourceconnections.com/> | My Free/Busy <http://tinyurl.com/eric-cal> Co-Author: Apache Solr Enterprise Search Server, 3rd Ed <https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/apache-solr-enterprise-search-server-third-edition-raw> This e-mail and all contents, including attachments, is considered to be Company Confidential unless explicitly stated otherwise, regardless of whether attachments are marked as such.
