First of all I agree with what Ian Lynch replied. On Sat, 24 Dec 2005, Jacqueline McNally wrote:
> Claus Agerskov wrote: > > On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, Jacqueline McNally wrote: > > > > > >> The OpenOffice.org project guidelines suggest communications of > >> these types of decisions privately, and I remember you yourself > >> said praise on-list and critique off-list. > > > > > > Yes critique - but telling MarCons to leave their position is not > > critism but kicking them out. > > Ryan started this thread of his own volition. I did not ask him to > resign or kick him out. I sent him a private message revoking his MarCon > role. How whould you feel if your role was revoked? > > If you only criticise off list then only the one who is criticised > > will see what is criticizable so the rest of the project members does > > not learn from it. And the rest of the project members can't respond > > if your critism is wrong. > > I agree with you. And I'm in a somewhat of a dilemma. You are saying > that any critique is to be public, whereas others and the OpenOffice.org > guidelines are saying that it is to be private. > > I prefer any communication to be public, especially difficult or awkward > situations. For example, there has been some email conversations in > which I have been cc'd in that I would have prefered not to. Statements > about other community members that I consider to be scandalous if not > libelous, but because private messages or marked as in-confidence, I > have no easy way of verifying or doing anything about it. And to be > quite honest would have preferred to be not involved. I quite understand > people stating in their sigs, reply to the list only. I can see that your own role are on stake if you are not following the guidelines. But how do we change the guidelines (and where are they by the way? > > You can view criticizable behavior as a bug - and in open source > > projects bugs are discussed openly. > > I agree with you, but others state otherwise. It seems that the ones in charge does not have a clue on open source projects and how they should be ran. > >> I will only now consider public critique to Ryan at his request. > > > > > > When you become a member of an open source project you will be a > > target of public critic - escpecially from you peers. > > And I'm ok with that, but I'm not ok with what people consider all is > wrong with the OOo MP is my problem. I am not the MP. No you and John are project leaders - and as you have acted on your own without your co-leader will be seen as a formal act of OOo MP - so in this case you act as the (only) formal leader of OOo MP. Then others of OOo MP react - and their oponions are also a part of OOo MP. > >> The Project Leads are responsible for the recruitment of and > >> liaison with MarCons. Usually, potential candidates contact us, as > >> two did earlier this week. The "What Do MarCons Do?" is a minimum, > >> and I'm happy to say that most of the MarCons exceed these > >> requirements. > > > > > > And where did Ryan not meet the "What Do MarCons Do?"? > > > > http://ooosmp.homelinux.org/GoalsandObjectives/MarketingProject > > That is up to Ryan to say if he wishes. No - it is up to you to tell what is the reason for revoking Ryan's MarCon role. It is not his. (And why is the formal guidelines for the OpenOffice.org Marketing Project on a different domain than openoffice.org - the it does not look formal - I could write something on ooo.chbs.dk/marketing and state that this is formal OpenOffice.org Marketing Project guidelines). The most enjoyable New Year greetings -- Claus Agerskov ###= Analyze OpenOffice.org Co-lead/owner #=== Requirements Project Management Tool [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== Design/model Subproject http://ooo.chbs.dk/ ==== Implement http://oopm.openoffice.org/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
