I apologize for this email. It was not meant for this list.

Ralph

> On Jan 7, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Ralph Goers <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> He claims that Log4j 2 isn’t popular enough.  The real reason, as you 
> probably know, is that Jason seriously dislikes me, although he would never 
> actually say that as his reason.
> 
> Ralph
> 
>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 10:56 AM, Jason van Zyl <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 11:43 AM, Arnaud Héritier <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> No problem.
>>> Let's do what you want (like always).
>> 
>> Not that I want it, but that’s certainly never been the case. The project 
>> would most definitely look different if it were. If there is agreement on 
>> this I’ll be surprised. So...
>> 
>> If we can make it such that the .mvn/extensions.xml mechanism work for 
>> logging that would be best but it won’t right now because Igor discovered in 
>> his journeys that SLF4J can only be initialized once. And by the time the 
>> extensions load it’s too late. If we can either adjust the CLI such that we 
>> delay the initialization until after extensions load and live with some 
>> STDOUT hackery, or ask the SLF4J folks if they can accommodate our case and 
>> have some lazy initialization or allowable mutation. Then it just doesn’t 
>> matter and anyone can cleanly use what they wish. Then we’ll likely have to 
>> figure out global user extensions but that’s ok.
>> 
>>> I agree we are loosing our time.
>>> 
>>> Have a good day.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Jason
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> Jason van Zyl
>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in.
>> No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow.
>> They know it is going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically
>> dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of 
>> dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or
>> goals are in doubt.
>> 
>> -- Robert Pirzig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
>> 
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