On 23/05/2007, at 2:10 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:

That's what the taxonomy is supposed to be: a hierarchy. But given that documents were lost in the wiki I put them all on that page so that I could see them all and try to organize and cull them. Whatever I saw I quickly tried to categorize. Again this is not the final form nor is it what's useful by people trying to learn about Maven. Essentially it should be a hierarchical outline which I'm modeling in omni outliner. But for the time being as I find bits and pieces I'm just sticking them on that front page so I can see them. The hierarchy doesn't exist yet and that's exactly what I'm trying to make.

Cool, that's what I thought, I just missed that from your description.



How about breaking this down by category first (processes, design documents, etc), then applying the taxonomy to each under those? We don't really need links to Jesse and John's IRC discussion on the front page :)


Our processes are separate from the taxonomy. The taxonomy is just a hierarchical grouping of information. I just put our process documents I put there so I could see them. The design documents would be one of the first derivative documents that link to the taxonomy. Talking about artifact resolution would link to the "artifacts and repositories" portion of the taxonomy.

Yep, I think that's what I meant - categorise the design documents by taxonomy, under a design docs page rather than the home page.

- what content goes in the wiki

In progress documentation. We let stuff sit to long in the wiki and now we have duplication.

- what goes into an "everybody can write" wiki

In progress documentation by people with no access to the official wiki.

- what goes as into a doxia generated site.


What we consider final designs and documentation.

I can totally agree with this. I got thrown by your categorising of m 2.0.x design docs, since under this scheme they should be rewritten and removed from the wiki.


Ad hoc, or in progress collects in the official space with devs incorporating user space material as deemed fit. As the in progress documents complete they should get moved/exported to a static site. Whatever means we decide on.

I think continuously putting them in the site in a clearly delineated way is a good idea (per the proposal).

Making them final? I think maybe using the confluence doxia parser to read text files from svn (so it's just a cut/paste/edit rather than a reformat). Alternatively, a wiki space for "final docs" that is more tightly controlled (but I personally prefer the docs under SVN for editing offline and mixing with apt, xdoc, etc)

This is a separate issue. First I would like to deal with the taxonomy and movement of information from the wikis to the static site. How the site is actually organized is a process of making views from the taxonomy.

ok, sounds good.

I think a good chunk of this is done, and if you want to organize the site according to what you see working I'm fine chiming in as things form. I'm really not interested in discussing this for the Nth time with no real results.

ouch :)

I did actually organise the site structure last year. More to do, but everyone seemed happy with it. It's still a matter of content which is a bigger deal. But the below is really the next step beyond that in terms of organisation.

Organize it according to what you have below and we'll try it. That's a fine approach as far as I'm concerned. I don't think anyone is going to argue if you're trying to organize the site and make all the sites standard. That all looks good to me below so now what's your next thought on actually having that be what we have for each sub-project?

I'm happy to apply this to a subproject and see how it works. We were discussing it in Archiva, so maybe there. But I think the best candidate is SCM. Between the two we cover the two basic types of subprojects (a framework and an application), so hopefully we can bounce that around and agree then apply outwards.


Let's run with that below, now what do we do to organize the actual information for each sub-project and what tools can we make to make the site making follow that structure below.

I think it's just a matter of configuration at this point. So I'll get started with SCM. Emmanuel - interested?

I'm also calling on Tim O'Brien and Henri Yandell here since I saw them at JavaOne and they said they'd help out in some way (even if just applying patches). I think it was even recorded. Are you guys in? :)

- Brett

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