On 23 May 07, at 8:28 AM 23 May 07, Raphaël Piéroni wrote:
+1 (But it don't really count :-))
You are the one that counts the most. I disagree with Brett about
moving this code over here right now because I don't think you're
ready, though I do see that you have the potential to be a good
contributor.
If you think that what you have is a good replacement then it's you
who has have to gauge your ability, effort and committment. No one
else can do that accurately for you except you.
Brett and I have almost the exact opposite views on making people
committers, how the project is structured and what actually makes it
a successful project.
I don't believe that you are ready to be a committer, nor do I feel
the code is ready to be put here. Don't mistake that for a lack of
respect. Anyone who is willing to volunteer their time of their own
accord working on project which is basically taken for granted by the
vast majority of users has my utmost respect. I don't do this in
order to curry the favor of anyone, I do because as an intelligent
human being I feel obligated to improve things where I can as naive
as that may sound. I am unwavering in my belief that this is not an
endeavor for the weak of heart and working on the project like this
requires fierce dedication. I also don't believe the few can direct
the actions of the many, but that the few dedicated souls are the
people that work and drive projects and lead by example doing work.
By that I mean you cannot accept the judgement of others and when you
come into this project you are autonomous and are expected act in the
best interest of the project but continue to work as hard as you
have. That's what I expect anyway. But I'm not the only one here,
I've just been here the longest and have seen the patterns that make
things work and the things that make things not work. You will be
doing yourself a disservice by jumping the gun joining the project
before you feel you are ready.
I only say this because I have a personal interest in how you do and
the work that results from your efforts on Archetype.
Raphaël
2007/5/23, Brett Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Hi,
We need to figure out where we go next with Archetype. Raphaël has
been doing a good job adding features and patiently listening to my
feedback/nagging. It appears to me that it is very close to being as
good as what we had before (though still a long list of things to do
before 1.0).
So there is still a way to go, but we seem to be in a spot where
there is general consensus that that is the future code. Given that,
I believe it makes sense to bring it back to the maven subversion
repo, and work on it together here. I've checked with Raphaël and he
is ok with that (even if it means progressing via patches in the
short term), and I'm happy to be the one to check and apply them.
I'll also work through the paperwork with him.
If we need to make a release before it's ready, we can still re-
branch from the last release without losing anything.
All that's left to do is vote on this. I guess as a code change the
rules are 72 hour, lazy consensus, vetoable.
[ ] +1 - add to maven subversion
[ ] 0
[ ] -1 - don't add to maven subversion
I'll kick it off with +1 :)
Cheers,
Brett
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