+1.  Totally for a (nonstrict) semver Maven.

Copied from the other thread for reference:

I think you'd have a lot more confidence in moving up to a newer maven.
>
> Enterprises will move to versions that they perceive as low risk. A true
> maintenance mode with a regular predictable release cadence where critical
> issues can get fixed fast will give them low risk.
>

+1.
Btw, I think this is where Jason's opinion could be converging. One of the
main given reasons for not delivering more versions is that slow-moving
enterprises wouldn't pick them anyway, so it'd be just wasted time.
BUT, if it became well-known that Maven respects some form of semver, then
those companies might certainly upgrade from 3.3.7 to 3.3.10 more
confidently (and more often).

I can't see a lot of reasons why that would/couldn't work.


2014-02-19 10:38 GMT+01:00 Anders Hammar <[email protected]>:

> Thanks for bringing this up, Stephen!
>
> My +1 goes to "backwards-compatible bug fixes (only)" in a bugfix/patch
> release.
> If we could decide (whatever we decide) what changes goes into what sort of
> release, I think that would help the community a lot. I personally think
> that re-using somehting like semver would be very good and in the spirit of
> Maven's theme of best-practices. However, I fully appreciate that opinions
> on "best-practice" in this case could be different than mine.
>
> I also fully agree with Jason on how things work with larger companies,
> where upgrading something like Maven is a big process. So if we have bugfix
> releases where we carefully introduce on fixed for known bugs, I think this
> would be very good and simplify that process.
>
> Also, out of a PR perspective, I think that increasing the minor version
> when we add new functionality (doesn't have to be from a user perspective
> but could be technical) is good. It shows that Maven is moving forward.
>
> /Anders
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Stephen Connolly <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I think we have a bit of a disagreement about what changes should be
> going
> > into different version numbers.
> >
> > To my mind, we should be using the convention that most people expect,
> i.e.
> > semver[1]-ish. I am not saying that we need to be super-strict in
> following
> > the exact semver specification, but I do think that we should be
> following
> > the semver spirit:
> >
> > Given a version number MAJOR.MINOR.PATCH, increment the:
> > > MAJOR version when you make incompatible API changes,
> > > MINOR version when you add functionality in a backwards-compatible
> > manner,
> > > and
> > > PATCH version when you make backwards-compatible bug fixes.
> >
> >
> > So with the above principle, the only changes that should be going into
> the
> > 3.2.x line should be backwards compatible bug fixes.
> >
> > Adding functionality should be going towards 3.3.x
> >
> > And the modelVersion 5.0.0 stuff should be going towards 4.0.x
> >
> > If I look at the issue tracker for 3.2.2:
> >
> >
> http://jira.codehaus.org/issues/?jql=fixVersion%20%3D%20%223.2.2%22%20AND%20project%20%3D%20MNG
> >
> > I currently see 9 issues:
> >
> > Improvements: MNG-5589, MNG-5587, MNG-5577, MNG-4715, MNG-1958
> > Bug fixes: MNG-5552, MNG-5475, MNG-5219, MNG-3559
> >
> > If we accept the principle that only bug fixes should be going into
> > patch/incremental releases then those 5 improvements are out of scope for
> > 3.2.x
> >
> > If we dig a bit further:
> >
> > * MNG-5552's fix involves extending the API, so that would be 3.3.x
> > * MNG-5474 may introduce regressions if there is anyone depending on the
> > current behaviour, so that could be seen as 3.3.x
> >
> > So my aim of faster releases becomes as soon as we get a fix for either
> > MNG-5219 or MNG-3559 committed on the 3.2.x release line... then we
> should
> > consider cutting a release of that line.
> >
> > That is the context in which I am suggesting that we could move to faster
> > releases...
> >
> > Now there is a big *if* that I ack was my implicit unstated understanding
> > when I started the "Towards faster releases" thread... namely that:
> >
> >     A Patch/Incremental version is backwards compatible bug fixes only.
> No
> > additional functionality. Additional functionality goes in a new minor
> > version.
> >
> > I think the resistance to my suggestion from Jason is either from a
> > different world view on what should go into a patch/incremental
> version...
> > or perhaps just forgetting that the scope of patch/incremental versions
> is
> > what I suggest it is.
> >
> > So my question to the Maven developers is this:
> >
> > What types of things should be eligible for a patch/incremental release
> of
> > Maven?
> >
> > Is it "backwards-compatible bug fixes" only?
> >
> > Is it "backwards-compatible bug fixes and api improvements"?
> >
> > Is it "any bug fix and backwards-compatible api improvements"?
> >
> > Is it something else?
> >
> > Keep in mind that users out there could well be expecting something
> > semver-ish... as that is a meme that seems to me to be catching on...
> >
> > FYI: If the consensus view is different from `"backwards-compatible bug
> > fixes" only` then there is no point in pursuing my plan of weekly checks
> > for a new patch release and cutting such a release if it is releasable,
> and
> > I will drop them (we can keep the tooling I have put in place as it will
> > help improve our quality... and I intend improving that tooling anyway).
> > But if the consensus is that patch/incremental versions should be
> > `"backwards-compatible bug fixes" only` then I see no good reason why we
> > should hold onto those fixes any longer than a week after they have been
> > committed. New features can go straight into the 3.3.x branch and I (and
> > others) can cherry pick the fixes from the 3.3.x branch back to 3.2.x and
> > cut those releases when they are ready. (Which was what I thought my
> > proposal was... but re-reading I ack that it was not as obvious to the
> > reader as it was to the writer ;-) )
> >
> > -Stephen
> >
> >   [1]: http://semver.org/
> >
>
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