quick clarification, I said "a lot of dev discussion happens on github and JIRA". I want to make sure I didn't mean to imply that larger decisions were being made outside of the appropriate place, the dev list.
On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:08 AM Casey Stella <ceste...@gmail.com> wrote: > Not for nothing, but at least according to the last board report that I > submitted, the user@ traffic is up 100% and the dev list traffic is flat > as compared to last quarter. That's not to say that we couldn't stand more > discussion on the lists, but a lot of the dev discussion happens on github > and JIRA and I'm happy to see an uptick in user traffic. > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:05 AM Otto Fowler <ottobackwa...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I wouldn’t be so quick to related the slack discussion with perceived >> activity on the list. >> That is more do to the other things that are bigger issues. >> >> >> On October 24, 2018 at 07:15:30, Nick Allen (n...@nickallen.org) wrote: >> >> > I have heard recently people thought Metron is sort of dead just because >> the mailing list is not so active anymore! >> >> That is exactly my concern. >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 2:49 AM Ali Nazemian <alinazem...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > I kind of expect to have Slack for more dev related discussions rather >> than >> > user QA. I guess it is quite common to expect mailing list to be used >> for >> > the purpose of knowledge sharing to make sure it will be accessible by >> > other users as well. Of course, it is a trade-off that most of the other >> > Apache projects decided to accept the risk of keeping user related >> > discussions out of Slack/IRC. However, it sometimes happens to see the >> > mixture of questions coming to Slack. I have heard recently people >> thought >> > Metron is sort of dead just because the mailing list is not so active >> > anymore! >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Ali >> > >> > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 8:23 AM Casey Stella <ceste...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > > Agreed, the benefit of the mailing list is that it’s searchable by >> > ponymail >> > > and the major search engines. >> > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 17:18 Nick Allen <n...@nickallen.org> wrote: >> > > >> > > > I don't know that it is the same kind of searchable. Is it being >> > indexed >> > > > by the major search engines? I have never used a search engine and >> > > > uncovered the answer to my problem in a Slack archive. >> > > > >> > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 5:05 PM Otto Fowler < >> ottobackwa...@gmail.com> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > According to Greg Stein, an infra admin on the NiFi slack, the ASF >> > > slack >> > > > > that metron is in IS the standard plan, not the free one and is >> > > > searchable >> > > > > past 10,000 messages. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > On October 22, 2018 at 15:35:51, Michael Miklavcic ( >> > > > > michael.miklav...@gmail.com) wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > ...From an archival and broader reach point of view, I do think >> > there's >> > > > > something to be said about using the mailing list. It's also >> easier >> > to >> > > > link >> > > > > to Q/A threads from the mailing list archives and do searches... >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1aa85bc13d41e04a1f85c3100c2b803abe35d79b54062bbeaab83ace@%3Cdev.metron.apache.org%3E >> > > > > >> > > > > How very Inception. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 1:32 PM Michael Miklavcic < >> > > > > michael.miklav...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > I just want to point out that we currently have 32 members in >> the >> > > > Metron >> > > > > > Slack channel which I personally think is a great sign. This is >> > good >> > > > from >> > > > > a >> > > > > > community perspective and helps foster interactive sessions >> where >> > > > > required. >> > > > > > From an archival and broader reach point of view, I do think >> > there's >> > > > > > something to be said about using the mailing list. It's also >> easier >> > > to >> > > > > link >> > > > > > to Q/A threads from the mailing list archives and do searches. >> As >> > > > such, I >> > > > > > would also go along with Nick's suggestion and urge members to >> > prefer >> > > > the >> > > > > > user/dev list where possible. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 10:51 AM Justin Leet < >> > justinjl...@gmail.com> >> > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> If we want to push more discussion to the dev list, my obvious >> > > follow >> > > > up >> > > > > >> question then is "What are we hoping to get out of >> Slack/irc/other >> > > > > >> interactive medium?". What discussion would we even want on >> there, >> > > if >> > > > we >> > > > > >> can't have decisions and don't want usage/support? >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 12:44 PM Casey Stella < >> ceste...@gmail.com >> > > >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > I am of 2 minds, but I tend to agree. On the one hand, it's >> > > > definitely >> > > > > >> the >> > > > > >> > preference that we use the mailing lists for the reasons you >> > > stated >> > > > > (and >> > > > > >> > also because not everyone has access to slack generally). On >> the >> > > > other >> > > > > >> > hand, I think an interactive medium like Slack has a lot of >> > > > advantages >> > > > > >> in >> > > > > >> > terms of user satisfaction. Ultimately, though, we may >> satisfy >> 1 >> > > > user >> > > > > >> at >> > > > > >> > the cost of not persisting the discussion and satisfying many >> > > users. >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > I'll go along with a specific preference to drive more >> > discussion >> > > to >> > > > > the >> > > > > >> > mailing list. >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > Casey >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 12:18 PM Nick Allen < >> n...@nickallen.org >> > > >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > It seems that we are seeing a lot of Metron usage and >> support >> > > > > >> questions >> > > > > >> > on >> > > > > >> > > the Slack Channel. >> > > > > >> > > These are questions that previously would have been >> directed >> > to >> > > > the >> > > > > >> User >> > > > > >> > or >> > > > > >> > > Dev mailing lists. Since this is occurring in the Slack >> > Channel, >> > > > the >> > > > > >> > > conversations are not archived. >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > In my opinion, this is not good for the Metron community. >> > Having >> > > > > this >> > > > > >> > > persisted in a discoverable form (like a mailing list >> archive) >> > > not >> > > > > >> only >> > > > > >> > > helps support current users, but also helps *potential* >> users >> > > > > >> understand >> > > > > >> > > how Metron is being used. >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > Does anyone else agree or disagree? At a minimum, I feel we >> > need >> > > > to >> > > > > >> do >> > > > > >> > > something to direct these conversations back to the mailing >> > > list. >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > A.Nazemian >> > >> >
