+1 to everything Billie says here. I typically advise all podlings to avoid adopting bylaws unless there is a compelling reason to differ from the ASF standard. The "tasked with adopting bylaws" clause in graduation resolutions is unnecessary and has proliferated, IMO, through copy/paste.
I say this as someone who has made the same mistake when incubating. In retrospect, I would have stuck with the (sane) defaults. Debates in a PMC over what a particular bylaw phrase actually "means" can be counterproductive and exasperating. -Taylor > On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Billie Rinaldi <bil...@apache.org> wrote: > > Not everything needs to be voted upon. The ASF guidelines and Metron's > bylaws specify which actions require a vote. Other types of things, like > choosing a release manager, can be approved by lazy consensus. I just > noticed that Metron's bylaws have slightly different definitions for the > approval types than the ASF typically uses. I'd recommend changing these to > the standard ASF definitions. Specifically, Lazy Consensus does not require > a vote and thus no +1s are needed (https://www.apache.org/ > foundation/glossary.html#LazyConsensus) and Lazy Majority and Lazy 2/3 > Majority should be called Majority (https://www.apache.org/ > foundation/glossary.html#MajorityApproval) and 2/3 Majority. > >> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 7:23 AM, Justin Leet <justinjl...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Right now it's just support, not a vote. I assume, based on our past >> practices, that there will be a separate [VOTE] thread. >> >> Justin >> >> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Otto Fowler <ottobackwa...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> +1 but is this explicitly an official vote? >>> >>> >>> On March 21, 2017 at 13:51:16, Justin Leet (justinjl...@gmail.com) >> wrote: >>> >>> +1 for Matt >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 12:21 PM, zeo...@gmail.com <zeo...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> +1 for mattf >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 11:04 AM Ryan Merriman <merrim...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> +1 for Matt >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:44 AM, Matt Foley <ma...@apache.org> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Casey, you’ve been a great release manager. I know how much detail >>>>> effort >>>>>> goes into this role. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am willing to serve as RM for the next while, if the community >>> would >>>>>> like. I was the RM for Hadoop for about a year, and in fact was RM >>> for >>>>> its >>>>>> 1.0 release. Granted that was a while ago, but overall process >>> doesn’t >>>>> seem >>>>>> to have changed much :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> --Matt >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3/21/17, 7:32 AM, "Casey Stella" <ceste...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Right, Billie is exactly right. Working with the community to >>>>>> constructing >>>>>> releases that conform to apache standards and policies is the main >>>>>> duty. >>>>>> This will (hopefully) be our first set of releases outside of the >>>>>> incubator, so if I'm allowed to be biased, I'm hoping that someone >>>>> with >>>>>> previous release management experience in other projects will >>>>>> volunteer. >>>>>> We're leaving the nest a bit and having an experienced hand at the >>>>>> tiller >>>>>> would be advantageous. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Billie Rinaldi < >>>> bil...@apache.org> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> See http://www.apache.org/dev/release-publishing#release_manager >>>>> and >>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html for information >>>> on >>>>>> the >>>>>>> tasks that a release manager performs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 7:10 AM, Khurram Ahmed < >>>>>> khurramah...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Casey it would be helpful if you could outline the >>>>>> responsibilities of a >>>>>>>> release manager for the Metron project. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mar 21, 2017 6:57 PM, "Casey Stella" <ceste...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've been extremely honored to spend the last few months as >>>> the >>>>>> Metron >>>>>>>>> Release Manager. That being said, my watch is ended and it's >>>>>> time for >>>>>>>>> another release manager to step into my place. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Who would like to volunteer to be release manager for the >>>> next >>>>>> release >>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> Metron? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Casey >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Jon >>>> >>> >>> >>
