Hello, the PR is available at https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/pull/13137. I'd appreciate a review and merge.
Best regards, Marco On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 12:01 AM Marco de Abreu <marco.g.ab...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Sorry, wrong link. The right link is: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-17216 > > -Marco > > On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 11:59 PM Marco de Abreu < > marco.g.ab...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> thanks everybody for taking part in this experiment around Travis CI. >> Unfortunately, our concerns about the stability of Travis were confirmed >> and the number of timeouts has increased since we added Python CPU tests. >> >> While the tests are marked as non-blocking, they confuse an increasing >> number of users and make them concerned that they might have made a >> breaking change in their contribution. >> >> I'm currently in discussion with Apache Infra to improve this situation >> [1], but as an immediate action to improve the user experience, I would >> like to propose the reduction of the executed workload on Travis by rolling >> back to the previous state which does not run Python CPU tests. There have >> been discussions around excluding certain long-running tests, but I'm >> afraid that assessing the tests and adding proper filtering could take some >> time. Instead, I would like to go back to only running compilation until we >> found a long-term solution. >> >> We have been receiving requests from other contributors who would like to >> add more workload to the Travis CI. Thus, I think that we should work on a >> long-term solution to resolve these constraints once and for all. >> >> Tomorrow, I will review further datapoints, have additional conversations >> with Apache Infra and discuss the idea with a few other contributors. If >> nobody objects, I would then like to create the PR and kindly request a >> fellow-committer to then merge that configuration change in order to >> increase the stability of our CI. >> >> Thanks for your understanding. >> >> Best regards, >> Marco >> >> [1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-16884 >> >> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 4:22 PM Marco de Abreu < >> marco.g.ab...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hey, >>> >>> as of https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/pull/12550, Python CPU >>> tests for Mac have been enabled in Travis. The first passing run is >>> available at >>> https://travis-ci.org/apache/incubator-mxnet/builds/430566392?utm_source=github_status&utm_medium=notification >>> . >>> >>> As stated before, we will keep the status at not-required until we are >>> sure the system is stable. >>> >>> Again, thanks to Kellen for his efforts to get Travis up and running! >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Marco >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 5:09 AM Hagay Lupesko <lupe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Bravo indeed! >>>> Awesome work Kellen and Marco! >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 7:56 PM Lin Yuan <apefor...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Bravo! This is a very important piece in CI. Thanks Kellen and Marco >>>> to >>>> > implement it quickly. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Lin >>>> > >>>> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 4:18 PM Marco de Abreu >>>> > <marco.g.ab...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > > Kellen has fixed the one bug in our build system and thus, there >>>> are no >>>> > > outstanding tests :) >>>> > > >>>> > > Exactly, it will run on branch and PR validation. >>>> > > >>>> > > Best regards, >>>> > > Marco >>>> > > >>>> > > sandeep krishnamurthy <sandeep.krishn...@gmail.com> schrieb am >>>> Di., 18. >>>> > > Sep. 2018, 19:32: >>>> > > >>>> > > > This is awesome. Thanks a lot Kellen and Marco. With this work >>>> > complete, >>>> > > we >>>> > > > will have MXNet Python tests running for Mac on Travis CI, for PR >>>> and >>>> > > > Branch builds? >>>> > > > Thank you for working on fixing the tests and making it run as >>>> part of >>>> > > > Travis CI for Mac platform. Is there any Github issue or Jira >>>> where we >>>> > > can >>>> > > > see disabled / tests that needs to be fixed for Mac? This might be >>>> > useful >>>> > > > if we can call for contributions. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Best, >>>> > > > Sandeep >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 9:51 AM Marco de Abreu >>>> > > > <marco.g.ab...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote: >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > Hey everyone, >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > we are about to enable Python tests for Mac. The outstanding >>>> bugs >>>> > have >>>> > > > been >>>> > > > > fixed by Kellen and we're just waiting for the PRs to pass. >>>> We'll >>>> > send >>>> > > a >>>> > > > > separate email as soon as they are enabled. >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > Additionally, we had a small problem that Travis runs got >>>> aborted if >>>> > > > > multiple commits were done in a short timeframe. While this is >>>> > > acceptable >>>> > > > > for PRs, this causes our branch jobs to also fail. An examples >>>> is >>>> > > > available >>>> > > > > at [1]. In order to cope with this, I have asked Apache Infra to >>>> > > disable >>>> > > > > cancellation of concurrent jobs. They agreed to this, but >>>> reminded us >>>> > > > that >>>> > > > > they might turn it back on if we consume too many resources. >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > The dashboard to review the Travis resource utilization is >>>> available >>>> > at >>>> > > > > [2]. Just log in as Guest. >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > Best regards, >>>> > > > > Marco >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > [1]: >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> https://travis-ci.org/apache/incubator-mxnet/builds/430135867?utm_source=github_status&utm_medium=notification >>>> > > > > [2]: >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> https://demo.kibble.apache.org/dashboard.html?page=ci&source=e0ce4eee89a77ec231eee1fdbbc647cb3de2f6ecfc3cef8d8c11dc2d&interval=hour >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 1:06 AM kellen sunderland < >>>> > > > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > We've got fairly limited ability to change what's reported by >>>> > Travis. >>>> > > > > Most >>>> > > > > > administration is done by the ASF Infra crew, so it's tough >>>> for us >>>> > to >>>> > > > > > experiment with settings. It'd be great if you could bear >>>> with us >>>> > > for >>>> > > > a >>>> > > > > > few days. It shouldn't take too long to either (1) get >>>> > happy-feeling >>>> > > > > green >>>> > > > > > checks back, or (2) decide we don't care as much as we >>>> thought we >>>> > did >>>> > > > > about >>>> > > > > > MacOS support. >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 9:53 PM Aaron Markham < >>>> > > > aaron.s.mark...@gmail.com >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > Is there any way to make it not show a red X failure in the >>>> > GitHub >>>> > > UI >>>> > > > > > when >>>> > > > > > > TravisCI fails? I keep going back to check what flakey test >>>> > failed >>>> > > > this >>>> > > > > > > time and realizing that Jenkins is still running and it was >>>> the >>>> > > "not >>>> > > > > > > required" Travis fail. The green checkmark makes me happy >>>> and >>>> > it's >>>> > > > > easier >>>> > > > > > > to keep an eye on what's going on. If Travis times out a >>>> lot of >>>> > the >>>> > > > > time, >>>> > > > > > > then most of our PRs will look red/bad/sad when they're not. >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > What about no failure flag set, but add a label that Travis >>>> > > > failed.... >>>> > > > > or >>>> > > > > > > if we can't control the flag, auto-set labels for each >>>> Travis and >>>> > > > > Jenkins >>>> > > > > > > pass/fail so we still get the benefit of at-a-glance status >>>> > checks. >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 6:04 AM Marco de Abreu >>>> > > > > > > <marco.g.ab...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote: >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Hello, >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Travis CI has successfully been enabled just now. This >>>> means >>>> > you >>>> > > > will >>>> > > > > > now >>>> > > > > > > > see a new status under your PR which is called >>>> > > > > > > > "continuous-integration/travis-ci/pr". >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > The job only compiles MXNet on Mac and currently does not >>>> run >>>> > > unit >>>> > > > > > tests >>>> > > > > > > - >>>> > > > > > > > we expect the overall execution duration to be around 6 >>>> minutes >>>> > > and >>>> > > > > > thus >>>> > > > > > > > faster than the full Jenkins pipeline. The status is set >>>> to >>>> > "not >>>> > > > > > > required" >>>> > > > > > > > which means that it does not block merging if that job >>>> fails >>>> > > since >>>> > > > > the >>>> > > > > > > > pipeline is still in beta. But in general, it would be >>>> good if >>>> > > > > > committers >>>> > > > > > > > review the results in case the job shows a failure. Our >>>> last >>>> > > known >>>> > > > > > state >>>> > > > > > > is >>>> > > > > > > > that the pipeline works properly, but we will keep >>>> everybody up >>>> > > to >>>> > > > > date >>>> > > > > > > in >>>> > > > > > > > case we get aware of any problems. >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > The next step will be integration of Python CPU unit >>>> tests. >>>> > There >>>> > > > > will >>>> > > > > > > be a >>>> > > > > > > > separate email if we got an update on that manner. >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Special thanks to Kellen Sunderland for the contribution >>>> of >>>> > this >>>> > > > > Travis >>>> > > > > > > CI >>>> > > > > > > > pipeline. >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Best regards, >>>> > > > > > > > Marco >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 8:19 PM Tianqi Chen < >>>> > > > tqc...@cs.washington.edu >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > Alrite, then I think it is fine as long as we can kept >>>> up >>>> > with >>>> > > > > build >>>> > > > > > > > speed >>>> > > > > > > > > without timeout. >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > Tianqi >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 9:14 AM kellen sunderland < >>>> > > > > > > > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > Travis actually has explicit support for ccache, it's >>>> a >>>> > > > platform >>>> > > > > > > > feature. >>>> > > > > > > > > > I've run it and it seems to work quite well. See for >>>> > example >>>> > > > > this >>>> > > > > > > > build: >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > >>>> https://travis-ci.org/KellenSunderland/incubator-mxnet/builds/424768656 >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 7:10 PM Tianqi Chen < >>>> > > > > > tqc...@cs.washington.edu >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > Travis it self is stateless, which means ccache is >>>> not >>>> > > likely >>>> > > > > > going >>>> > > > > > > > to >>>> > > > > > > > > > > work. As far as I understand, if jenkins master is >>>> in the >>>> > > > > public >>>> > > > > > > > > domain, >>>> > > > > > > > > > > you do not need to setup a vpn to the subset of the >>>> > master. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > As for versions of MacOS, we are likely going to be >>>> fine >>>> > > with >>>> > > > > one >>>> > > > > > > > > > version, >>>> > > > > > > > > > > as usually the problems exhibits on mac are similar >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > Tianqi >>>> > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 9:04 AM kellen sunderland < >>>> > > > > > > > > > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > @Tianqi: Yeah there's going to be a lot of >>>> trade-offs >>>> > to >>>> > > > > using >>>> > > > > > > > > > Travis. I >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > hope we can get it running fast enough with >>>> ccache that >>>> > > it >>>> > > > > > won't >>>> > > > > > > > > > timeout >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > when running tests, but even that is >>>> questionable. In >>>> > my >>>> > > > > > private >>>> > > > > > > > > > testing >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > it was running in about 35 minutes and the global >>>> > timeout >>>> > > > for >>>> > > > > > > > Travis >>>> > > > > > > > > > jobs >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > is 45 minutes. I'd say let's run it for a few >>>> builds >>>> > and >>>> > > > see >>>> > > > > > how >>>> > > > > > > > it >>>> > > > > > > > > > > goes. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > It won't be enabled in a mode that blocks PRs any >>>> time >>>> > > > soon. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think physical hardware is a great >>>> solution. >>>> > We >>>> > > > > would >>>> > > > > > > have >>>> > > > > > > > > to >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > purchase the hardware, then maintain security >>>> updates, >>>> > > > > install >>>> > > > > > > > > > different >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > versions of XCode / MacOS, setup a vpn to our >>>> jenkins >>>> > > > master, >>>> > > > > > > > etc. I >>>> > > > > > > > > > > would >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > also worry that if the machine goes down for >>>> whatever >>>> > > > reason >>>> > > > > it >>>> > > > > > > > would >>>> > > > > > > > > > > block >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > PRs, and someone would have to be physically >>>> present to >>>> > > > turn >>>> > > > > it >>>> > > > > > > > back >>>> > > > > > > > > > on. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > Even assuming we set all the hardware up it's >>>> still not >>>> > > > > > scalable >>>> > > > > > > so >>>> > > > > > > > > > we'd >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > have to over-provision. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm hoping the Travis solution works for the time >>>> > being. >>>> > > If >>>> > > > > it >>>> > > > > > > > > doesn't >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > we'll have to take a look at a few other options, >>>> but >>>> > > I've >>>> > > > > > spent >>>> > > > > > > a >>>> > > > > > > > > fair >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > amount of time thinking about this and I don't >>>> think >>>> > > there >>>> > > > > are >>>> > > > > > > any >>>> > > > > > > > > good >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > options that don't have trade-offs. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > @Lin: Great! Thanks for the offer. There'll be >>>> a few >>>> > > > > features >>>> > > > > > > we >>>> > > > > > > > > want >>>> > > > > > > > > > > to >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > re-enable once the Job gets hooked up again. >>>> I'll ping >>>> > > you >>>> > > > > > when >>>> > > > > > > > it's >>>> > > > > > > > > > > ready >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > and see if there's anything you think would be >>>> > > interesting >>>> > > > to >>>> > > > > > > help >>>> > > > > > > > > > with. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > -Kellen >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 6:58 PM Lin Yuan < >>>> > > > apefor...@gmail.com >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kellen, >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > I would love to contribute. Please let me know >>>> if you >>>> > > > have >>>> > > > > > any >>>> > > > > > > > > > > particular >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > work item that I can help. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lin >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 9:51 AM Tianqi Chen < >>>> > > > > > > > > tqc...@cs.washington.edu >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is it possible for us to get a MacBook and >>>> hook it >>>> > to >>>> > > > the >>>> > > > > > > > current >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > Jenkins >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > CI? Travis OSX usually build from scratch and >>>> that >>>> > > was >>>> > > > > > pretty >>>> > > > > > > > > slow >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tianqi >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 8:49 AM kellen >>>> sunderland < >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great you feel that way Lin, please feel >>>> free to >>>> > > > > > contribute >>>> > > > > > > > if >>>> > > > > > > > > > you >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > have >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features you'd like tested. We are using >>>> the >>>> > > travis >>>> > > > > > image >>>> > > > > > > > > > xcode9.4 >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > which >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is based on MacOS 10.13. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 6:40 PM Lin Yuan < >>>> > > > > > > apefor...@gmail.com >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kellen, >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks for your and Marco's effort! I >>>> > think >>>> > > > this >>>> > > > > > is >>>> > > > > > > a >>>> > > > > > > > > very >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > crucial >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > piece to improve MXNet stability. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To add some data points: >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Customers using CoreML to MXNet >>>> converter >>>> > were >>>> > > > > > blocked >>>> > > > > > > > > for a >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > while >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because the converter was broken and no >>>> unit >>>> > test >>>> > > > was >>>> > > > > > in >>>> > > > > > > > > place >>>> > > > > > > > > > to >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > detect >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Developers on Mac cannot verify their >>>> local >>>> > > > > commits >>>> > > > > > > > > because >>>> > > > > > > > > > > some >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unit >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests on master were broken. This wasted >>>> much >>>> > > time >>>> > > > > and >>>> > > > > > > > > resource >>>> > > > > > > > > > > on >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jenkins >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > server to detect the failure. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Please consider running the CI on Mac >>>> OS >>>> > 10.13 >>>> > > > > since >>>> > > > > > > > this >>>> > > > > > > > > is >>>> > > > > > > > > > > the >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minimum >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mac OS version that supports CoreML (to >>>> support >>>> > > > > CoreML >>>> > > > > > to >>>> > > > > > > > > MXNet >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > converter) >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lin >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 3:02 AM kellen >>>> sunderland >>>> > < >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm bumping this thread as we've >>>> recently had >>>> > > our >>>> > > > > > first >>>> > > > > > > > > > serious >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > bug >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MacOS that would have been caught by >>>> enabling >>>> > > > > Travis. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm going to do a little experimental >>>> work >>>> > > > together >>>> > > > > > > with >>>> > > > > > > > > > Marco >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > with >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goal of enabling a minimal Travis build >>>> that >>>> > > will >>>> > > > > run >>>> > > > > > > > > python >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > tests. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've verified that Travis will in fact >>>> find a >>>> > > bug >>>> > > > > > that >>>> > > > > > > > > > > currently >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master and has been reproduced by MacOS >>>> > > clients. >>>> > > > > > This >>>> > > > > > > > > > > indicates >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > to >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > me >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adding Travis will add value to our CI. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My best guess is that it might take us >>>> some >>>> > > > > iteration >>>> > > > > > > > > before >>>> > > > > > > > > > we >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > find >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scalable way to integrate Travis. >>>> Given this >>>> > > > we're >>>> > > > > > > going >>>> > > > > > > > > to >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > enable >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Travis >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in non-blocking mode (i.e. failures are >>>> safe >>>> > to >>>> > > > > > ignore >>>> > > > > > > > for >>>> > > > > > > > > > the >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > time >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being). >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To help mitigate the risk of timeouts, >>>> and to >>>> > > > > remove >>>> > > > > > > > legacy >>>> > > > > > > > > > > code >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to re-create the travis.yml file from >>>> > > scratch. I >>>> > > > > > think >>>> > > > > > > > > it'll >>>> > > > > > > > > > > be >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > much >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confusing if we only have working code >>>> > related >>>> > > to >>>> > > > > > > Travis >>>> > > > > > > > in >>>> > > > > > > > > > our >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > codebase, >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so that contributors won't have to >>>> experiment >>>> > > to >>>> > > > > see >>>> > > > > > > what >>>> > > > > > > > > is >>>> > > > > > > > > > or >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working. We've got some great, but >>>> slightly >>>> > > > > > > out-of-date >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > functionality >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the legacy .travis.yml file. I hope we >>>> can >>>> > > work >>>> > > > > > > together >>>> > > > > > > > > to >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > update >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > legacy features, ensure they work with >>>> the >>>> > > > current >>>> > > > > > > folder >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > structure >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also make sure the features run within >>>> > Travis's >>>> > > > 45 >>>> > > > > > > minute >>>> > > > > > > > > > > global >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > time >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > window. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd also like to set expectations that >>>> this >>>> > is >>>> > > > > > > strictly a >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > volunteer >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effort. I'd welcome help from the >>>> community >>>> > > for >>>> > > > > > > support >>>> > > > > > > > > and >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maintenance. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The model downloading caching work >>>> > particularly >>>> > > > > > stands >>>> > > > > > > > out >>>> > > > > > > > > to >>>> > > > > > > > > > > me >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > as >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something I'd like to re-enable again >>>> as soon >>>> > > as >>>> > > > > > > > possible. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Kellen >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 11:52 AM Marco de >>>> > Abreu >>>> > > < >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marco.g.ab...@googlemail.com> >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looks good! +1 >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 10:24 AM, >>>> kellen >>>> > > > > sunderland >>>> > > > > > < >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think most were in favour of at a >>>> > minimum >>>> > > > > > > creating >>>> > > > > > > > a >>>> > > > > > > > > > > clang >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > build >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > created a PR >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/pull/9330/commits/ >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> 84089ea14123ebe4d66cc92e82a2d529cfbd8b19. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My hope is this will catch many of >>>> the >>>> > > issues >>>> > > > > > > > blocking >>>> > > > > > > > > > OSX >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > builds. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it already caught one issue. If >>>> you guys >>>> > > are >>>> > > > > in >>>> > > > > > > > > favour I >>>> > > > > > > > > > > can >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remove >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WIP and ask that it be merged. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 6:29 PM, >>>> Chris >>>> > > > Olivier < >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cjolivie...@gmail.com >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope, I have been on vacation. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 9:10 AM, >>>> kellen >>>> > > > > > > sunderland < >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope everyone had a good >>>> break. Just >>>> > > > > wanted >>>> > > > > > to >>>> > > > > > > > > check >>>> > > > > > > > > > > if >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > there >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thoughts on OSX builds. Chris, >>>> did >>>> > you >>>> > > > > have >>>> > > > > > > time >>>> > > > > > > > > to >>>> > > > > > > > > > > look >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > into >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > virtualizing >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mac OS? Would it make sense >>>> for us >>>> > to >>>> > > > put >>>> > > > > > > > > something >>>> > > > > > > > > > in >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > place >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interim e.g. the clang solution? >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 7:59 >>>> PM, de >>>> > > > Abreu, >>>> > > > > > > Marco >>>> > > > > > > > < >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mab...@amazon.com> >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for looking into this, >>>> > Chris! >>>> > > No >>>> > > > > > > hurries >>>> > > > > > > > > on >>>> > > > > > > > > > > that >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one, >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we’ll >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > look >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into it next stage when we >>>> add new >>>> > > > > system- >>>> > > > > > > and >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > build-configurations >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CI. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12.12.17, 19:12, "Chris >>>> > Olivier" < >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > cjolivie...@gmail.com >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am on vacation starting >>>> > > Thursday. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at >>>> 9:49 AM >>>> > > > > kellen >>>> > > > > > > > > > > sunderland < >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> >>>> > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, let's do an >>>> > > > > investigation >>>> > > > > > > and >>>> > > > > > > > > see >>>> > > > > > > > > > > if >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > it's >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > virtualize. Would you >>>> have >>>> > > time >>>> > > > to >>>> > > > > > > look >>>> > > > > > > > > into >>>> > > > > > > > > > > it >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > a >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bit >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further? >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at >>>> 6:47 >>>> > > PM, >>>> > > > > > Chris >>>> > > > > > > > > > Olivier >>>> > > > > > > > > > > < >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cjolivie...@gmail.com> >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don’t get me wrong, >>>> I’m not >>>> > > > > saying >>>> > > > > > > this >>>> > > > > > > > > Mac >>>> > > > > > > > > > > OS >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jenkins >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doable >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but I feel like we >>>> should >>>> > > > > > investigate >>>> > > > > > > > > > because >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > the >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > payoff >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > large. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 >>>> at >>>> > 9:38 >>>> > > AM >>>> > > > > > Chris >>>> > > > > > > > > > > Olivier < >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cjolivie...@gmail.com> >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apple’s Darwin OS Is >>>> > > recently >>>> > > > > > > > > > open-sourced. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > https://github.com/PureDarwin/PureDarwin >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How to convert this >>>> into >>>> > a >>>> > > > > > non-GUI >>>> > > > > > > > VM I >>>> > > > > > > > > > am >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > not >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but I >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > willing to >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bet that people >>>> have done >>>> > > it >>>> > > > > > > already. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 12, >>>> 2017 at >>>> > > 9:16 >>>> > > > AM >>>> > > > > > > > kellen >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunderland < >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> >>>> > > > > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> It might be >>>> technically >>>> > > > > > possible, >>>> > > > > > > > but >>>> > > > > > > > > I >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > think >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > it >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > violate >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MacOS >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> license: >>>> > > > > > http://store.apple.com/ >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Catalog/US/Images/MacOSX.htm >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "2. 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This License >>>> allows >>>> > you >>>> > > > to >>>> > > > > > > > install >>>> > > > > > > > > > and >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > use >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > copy >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apple >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Software on a >>>> single >>>> > > > > > Apple-labeled >>>> > > > > > > > > > > computer >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > at a >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > License >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> not allow the Apple >>>> > > Software >>>> > > > > to >>>> > > > > > > > exist >>>> > > > > > > > > on >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > more >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > than >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at a >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> time,and you may >>>> not >>>> > make >>>> > > > the >>>> > > > > > > Apple >>>> > > > > > > > > > > Software >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > available >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > network >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> where >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> it could be used by >>>> > > multiple >>>> > > > > > > > computers >>>> > > > > > > > > > at >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > the >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > same >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may make >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> copy of the Apple >>>> > Software >>>> > > > > > > > (excluding >>>> > > > > > > > > > the >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > Boot >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ROM >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > code) >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> machine-readable >>>> form >>>> > for >>>> > > > > backup >>>> > > > > > > > > > purposes >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > only; >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backup >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> copy must include >>>> all >>>> > > > > copyright >>>> > > > > > or >>>> > > > > > > > > other >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proprietary >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notices >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contained >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the original. 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