Hi, the PR has just been merged. Thank you, Sheng! Travis is now only running compilation on Travis for Mac OS X and we are no longer running tests.
The issue to track this case is available at [1]. Best regards, Marco [1]: https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/13136 On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 4:46 PM kellen sunderland < kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> wrote: > Looks good to me. Sorry this couldn't work out for the community. > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 7:24 AM Marco de Abreu > <marco.g.ab...@googlemail.com.invalid wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > the PR is available at > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/pull/13137. > > I'd appreciate a review and merge. > > > > Best regards, > > Marco > > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 12:01 AM Marco de Abreu < > > marco.g.ab...@googlemail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Sorry, wrong link. The right link is: > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-17216 > > > > > > -Marco > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 11:59 PM Marco de Abreu < > > > marco.g.ab...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Hello, > > >> > > >> thanks everybody for taking part in this experiment around Travis CI. > > >> Unfortunately, our concerns about the stability of Travis were > confirmed > > >> and the number of timeouts has increased since we added Python CPU > > tests. > > >> > > >> While the tests are marked as non-blocking, they confuse an increasing > > >> number of users and make them concerned that they might have made a > > >> breaking change in their contribution. > > >> > > >> I'm currently in discussion with Apache Infra to improve this > situation > > >> [1], but as an immediate action to improve the user experience, I > would > > >> like to propose the reduction of the executed workload on Travis by > > rolling > > >> back to the previous state which does not run Python CPU tests. There > > have > > >> been discussions around excluding certain long-running tests, but I'm > > >> afraid that assessing the tests and adding proper filtering could take > > some > > >> time. Instead, I would like to go back to only running compilation > > until we > > >> found a long-term solution. > > >> > > >> We have been receiving requests from other contributors who would like > > to > > >> add more workload to the Travis CI. Thus, I think that we should work > > on a > > >> long-term solution to resolve these constraints once and for all. > > >> > > >> Tomorrow, I will review further datapoints, have additional > > conversations > > >> with Apache Infra and discuss the idea with a few other contributors. > If > > >> nobody objects, I would then like to create the PR and kindly request > a > > >> fellow-committer to then merge that configuration change in order to > > >> increase the stability of our CI. > > >> > > >> Thanks for your understanding. > > >> > > >> Best regards, > > >> Marco > > >> > > >> [1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-16884 > > >> > > >> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 4:22 PM Marco de Abreu < > > >> marco.g.ab...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hey, > > >>> > > >>> as of https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/pull/12550, Python > CPU > > >>> tests for Mac have been enabled in Travis. The first passing run is > > >>> available at > > >>> > > > https://travis-ci.org/apache/incubator-mxnet/builds/430566392?utm_source=github_status&utm_medium=notification > > >>> . > > >>> > > >>> As stated before, we will keep the status at not-required until we > are > > >>> sure the system is stable. > > >>> > > >>> Again, thanks to Kellen for his efforts to get Travis up and running! > > >>> > > >>> Best regards, > > >>> Marco > > >>> > > >>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 5:09 AM Hagay Lupesko <lupe...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Bravo indeed! > > >>>> Awesome work Kellen and Marco! > > >>>> > > >>>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 7:56 PM Lin Yuan <apefor...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > Bravo! This is a very important piece in CI. Thanks Kellen and > Marco > > >>>> to > > >>>> > implement it quickly. > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > Lin > > >>>> > > > >>>> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 4:18 PM Marco de Abreu > > >>>> > <marco.g.ab...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote: > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Kellen has fixed the one bug in our build system and thus, there > > >>>> are no > > >>>> > > outstanding tests :) > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > Exactly, it will run on branch and PR validation. > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > Best regards, > > >>>> > > Marco > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > sandeep krishnamurthy <sandeep.krishn...@gmail.com> schrieb am > > >>>> Di., 18. > > >>>> > > Sep. 2018, 19:32: > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > This is awesome. Thanks a lot Kellen and Marco. With this work > > >>>> > complete, > > >>>> > > we > > >>>> > > > will have MXNet Python tests running for Mac on Travis CI, for > > PR > > >>>> and > > >>>> > > > Branch builds? > > >>>> > > > Thank you for working on fixing the tests and making it run as > > >>>> part of > > >>>> > > > Travis CI for Mac platform. Is there any Github issue or Jira > > >>>> where we > > >>>> > > can > > >>>> > > > see disabled / tests that needs to be fixed for Mac? This > might > > be > > >>>> > useful > > >>>> > > > if we can call for contributions. > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > Best, > > >>>> > > > Sandeep > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 9:51 AM Marco de Abreu > > >>>> > > > <marco.g.ab...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote: > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > Hey everyone, > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > we are about to enable Python tests for Mac. The outstanding > > >>>> bugs > > >>>> > have > > >>>> > > > been > > >>>> > > > > fixed by Kellen and we're just waiting for the PRs to pass. > > >>>> We'll > > >>>> > send > > >>>> > > a > > >>>> > > > > separate email as soon as they are enabled. > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > Additionally, we had a small problem that Travis runs got > > >>>> aborted if > > >>>> > > > > multiple commits were done in a short timeframe. While this > is > > >>>> > > acceptable > > >>>> > > > > for PRs, this causes our branch jobs to also fail. An > examples > > >>>> is > > >>>> > > > available > > >>>> > > > > at [1]. In order to cope with this, I have asked Apache > Infra > > to > > >>>> > > disable > > >>>> > > > > cancellation of concurrent jobs. They agreed to this, but > > >>>> reminded us > > >>>> > > > that > > >>>> > > > > they might turn it back on if we consume too many resources. > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > The dashboard to review the Travis resource utilization is > > >>>> available > > >>>> > at > > >>>> > > > > [2]. Just log in as Guest. > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > Best regards, > > >>>> > > > > Marco > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > [1]: > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > https://travis-ci.org/apache/incubator-mxnet/builds/430135867?utm_source=github_status&utm_medium=notification > > >>>> > > > > [2]: > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > https://demo.kibble.apache.org/dashboard.html?page=ci&source=e0ce4eee89a77ec231eee1fdbbc647cb3de2f6ecfc3cef8d8c11dc2d&interval=hour > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 1:06 AM kellen sunderland < > > >>>> > > > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > We've got fairly limited ability to change what's reported > > by > > >>>> > Travis. > > >>>> > > > > Most > > >>>> > > > > > administration is done by the ASF Infra crew, so it's > tough > > >>>> for us > > >>>> > to > > >>>> > > > > > experiment with settings. It'd be great if you could bear > > >>>> with us > > >>>> > > for > > >>>> > > > a > > >>>> > > > > > few days. It shouldn't take too long to either (1) get > > >>>> > happy-feeling > > >>>> > > > > green > > >>>> > > > > > checks back, or (2) decide we don't care as much as we > > >>>> thought we > > >>>> > did > > >>>> > > > > about > > >>>> > > > > > MacOS support. > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 9:53 PM Aaron Markham < > > >>>> > > > aaron.s.mark...@gmail.com > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > wrote: > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > Is there any way to make it not show a red X failure in > > the > > >>>> > GitHub > > >>>> > > UI > > >>>> > > > > > when > > >>>> > > > > > > TravisCI fails? I keep going back to check what flakey > > test > > >>>> > failed > > >>>> > > > this > > >>>> > > > > > > time and realizing that Jenkins is still running and it > > was > > >>>> the > > >>>> > > "not > > >>>> > > > > > > required" Travis fail. The green checkmark makes me > happy > > >>>> and > > >>>> > it's > > >>>> > > > > easier > > >>>> > > > > > > to keep an eye on what's going on. If Travis times out a > > >>>> lot of > > >>>> > the > > >>>> > > > > time, > > >>>> > > > > > > then most of our PRs will look red/bad/sad when they're > > not. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > What about no failure flag set, but add a label that > > Travis > > >>>> > > > failed.... > > >>>> > > > > or > > >>>> > > > > > > if we can't control the flag, auto-set labels for each > > >>>> Travis and > > >>>> > > > > Jenkins > > >>>> > > > > > > pass/fail so we still get the benefit of at-a-glance > > status > > >>>> > checks. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 6:04 AM Marco de Abreu > > >>>> > > > > > > <marco.g.ab...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote: > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Hello, > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Travis CI has successfully been enabled just now. This > > >>>> means > > >>>> > you > > >>>> > > > will > > >>>> > > > > > now > > >>>> > > > > > > > see a new status under your PR which is called > > >>>> > > > > > > > "continuous-integration/travis-ci/pr". > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > The job only compiles MXNet on Mac and currently does > > not > > >>>> run > > >>>> > > unit > > >>>> > > > > > tests > > >>>> > > > > > > - > > >>>> > > > > > > > we expect the overall execution duration to be around > 6 > > >>>> minutes > > >>>> > > and > > >>>> > > > > > thus > > >>>> > > > > > > > faster than the full Jenkins pipeline. The status is > set > > >>>> to > > >>>> > "not > > >>>> > > > > > > required" > > >>>> > > > > > > > which means that it does not block merging if that job > > >>>> fails > > >>>> > > since > > >>>> > > > > the > > >>>> > > > > > > > pipeline is still in beta. But in general, it would be > > >>>> good if > > >>>> > > > > > committers > > >>>> > > > > > > > review the results in case the job shows a failure. > Our > > >>>> last > > >>>> > > known > > >>>> > > > > > state > > >>>> > > > > > > is > > >>>> > > > > > > > that the pipeline works properly, but we will keep > > >>>> everybody up > > >>>> > > to > > >>>> > > > > date > > >>>> > > > > > > in > > >>>> > > > > > > > case we get aware of any problems. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > The next step will be integration of Python CPU unit > > >>>> tests. > > >>>> > There > > >>>> > > > > will > > >>>> > > > > > > be a > > >>>> > > > > > > > separate email if we got an update on that manner. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Special thanks to Kellen Sunderland for the > contribution > > >>>> of > > >>>> > this > > >>>> > > > > Travis > > >>>> > > > > > > CI > > >>>> > > > > > > > pipeline. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Best regards, > > >>>> > > > > > > > Marco > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 8:19 PM Tianqi Chen < > > >>>> > > > tqc...@cs.washington.edu > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > Alrite, then I think it is fine as long as we can > kept > > >>>> up > > >>>> > with > > >>>> > > > > build > > >>>> > > > > > > > speed > > >>>> > > > > > > > > without timeout. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > Tianqi > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 9:14 AM kellen sunderland < > > >>>> > > > > > > > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > Travis actually has explicit support for ccache, > > it's > > >>>> a > > >>>> > > > platform > > >>>> > > > > > > > feature. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > I've run it and it seems to work quite well. See > > for > > >>>> > example > > >>>> > > > > this > > >>>> > > > > > > > build: > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > https://travis-ci.org/KellenSunderland/incubator-mxnet/builds/424768656 > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 7:10 PM Tianqi Chen < > > >>>> > > > > > tqc...@cs.washington.edu > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > Travis it self is stateless, which means ccache > is > > >>>> not > > >>>> > > likely > > >>>> > > > > > going > > >>>> > > > > > > > to > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > work. As far as I understand, if jenkins master > is > > >>>> in the > > >>>> > > > > public > > >>>> > > > > > > > > domain, > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > you do not need to setup a vpn to the subset of > > the > > >>>> > master. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > As for versions of MacOS, we are likely going to > > be > > >>>> fine > > >>>> > > with > > >>>> > > > > one > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > version, > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > as usually the problems exhibits on mac are > > similar > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > Tianqi > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 9:04 AM kellen > sunderland < > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > @Tianqi: Yeah there's going to be a lot of > > >>>> trade-offs > > >>>> > to > > >>>> > > > > using > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > Travis. I > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > hope we can get it running fast enough with > > >>>> ccache that > > >>>> > > it > > >>>> > > > > > won't > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > timeout > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > when running tests, but even that is > > >>>> questionable. In > > >>>> > my > > >>>> > > > > > private > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > testing > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > it was running in about 35 minutes and the > > global > > >>>> > timeout > > >>>> > > > for > > >>>> > > > > > > > Travis > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > jobs > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > is 45 minutes. I'd say let's run it for a few > > >>>> builds > > >>>> > and > > >>>> > > > see > > >>>> > > > > > how > > >>>> > > > > > > > it > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > goes. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > It won't be enabled in a mode that blocks PRs > > any > > >>>> time > > >>>> > > > soon. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think physical hardware is a great > > >>>> solution. > > >>>> > We > > >>>> > > > > would > > >>>> > > > > > > have > > >>>> > > > > > > > > to > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > purchase the hardware, then maintain security > > >>>> updates, > > >>>> > > > > install > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > different > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > versions of XCode / MacOS, setup a vpn to our > > >>>> jenkins > > >>>> > > > master, > > >>>> > > > > > > > etc. I > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > would > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > also worry that if the machine goes down for > > >>>> whatever > > >>>> > > > reason > > >>>> > > > > it > > >>>> > > > > > > > would > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > block > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > PRs, and someone would have to be physically > > >>>> present to > > >>>> > > > turn > > >>>> > > > > it > > >>>> > > > > > > > back > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > on. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > Even assuming we set all the hardware up it's > > >>>> still not > > >>>> > > > > > scalable > > >>>> > > > > > > so > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > we'd > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > have to over-provision. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm hoping the Travis solution works for the > > time > > >>>> > being. > > >>>> > > If > > >>>> > > > > it > > >>>> > > > > > > > > doesn't > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > we'll have to take a look at a few other > > options, > > >>>> but > > >>>> > > I've > > >>>> > > > > > spent > > >>>> > > > > > > a > > >>>> > > > > > > > > fair > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > amount of time thinking about this and I don't > > >>>> think > > >>>> > > there > > >>>> > > > > are > > >>>> > > > > > > any > > >>>> > > > > > > > > good > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > options that don't have trade-offs. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > @Lin: Great! Thanks for the offer. There'll > be > > >>>> a few > > >>>> > > > > features > > >>>> > > > > > > we > > >>>> > > > > > > > > want > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > to > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > re-enable once the Job gets hooked up again. > > >>>> I'll ping > > >>>> > > you > > >>>> > > > > > when > > >>>> > > > > > > > it's > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > ready > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > and see if there's anything you think would be > > >>>> > > interesting > > >>>> > > > to > > >>>> > > > > > > help > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > with. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > -Kellen > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 6:58 PM Lin Yuan < > > >>>> > > > apefor...@gmail.com > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kellen, > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > I would love to contribute. Please let me > know > > >>>> if you > > >>>> > > > have > > >>>> > > > > > any > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > particular > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > work item that I can help. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lin > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 9:51 AM Tianqi Chen < > > >>>> > > > > > > > > tqc...@cs.washington.edu > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is it possible for us to get a MacBook and > > >>>> hook it > > >>>> > to > > >>>> > > > the > > >>>> > > > > > > > current > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > Jenkins > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > CI? Travis OSX usually build from scratch > > and > > >>>> that > > >>>> > > was > > >>>> > > > > > pretty > > >>>> > > > > > > > > slow > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tianqi > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 8:49 AM kellen > > >>>> sunderland < > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great you feel that way Lin, please feel > > >>>> free to > > >>>> > > > > > contribute > > >>>> > > > > > > > if > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > you > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > have > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features you'd like tested. We are > using > > >>>> the > > >>>> > > travis > > >>>> > > > > > image > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > xcode9.4 > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is based on MacOS 10.13. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 6:40 PM Lin Yuan > < > > >>>> > > > > > > apefor...@gmail.com > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kellen, > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks for your and Marco's > > effort! I > > >>>> > think > > >>>> > > > this > > >>>> > > > > > is > > >>>> > > > > > > a > > >>>> > > > > > > > > very > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > crucial > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > piece to improve MXNet stability. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To add some data points: > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Customers using CoreML to MXNet > > >>>> converter > > >>>> > were > > >>>> > > > > > blocked > > >>>> > > > > > > > > for a > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > while > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because the converter was broken and > no > > >>>> unit > > >>>> > test > > >>>> > > > was > > >>>> > > > > > in > > >>>> > > > > > > > > place > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > to > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > detect > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Developers on Mac cannot verify > their > > >>>> local > > >>>> > > > > commits > > >>>> > > > > > > > > because > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > some > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unit > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests on master were broken. This > wasted > > >>>> much > > >>>> > > time > > >>>> > > > > and > > >>>> > > > > > > > > resource > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > on > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jenkins > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > server to detect the failure. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Please consider running the CI on > Mac > > >>>> OS > > >>>> > 10.13 > > >>>> > > > > since > > >>>> > > > > > > > this > > >>>> > > > > > > > > is > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > the > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minimum > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mac OS version that supports CoreML > (to > > >>>> support > > >>>> > > > > CoreML > > >>>> > > > > > to > > >>>> > > > > > > > > MXNet > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > converter) > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lin > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 3:02 AM kellen > > >>>> sunderland > > >>>> > < > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm bumping this thread as we've > > >>>> recently had > > >>>> > > our > > >>>> > > > > > first > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > serious > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > bug > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MacOS that would have been caught by > > >>>> enabling > > >>>> > > > > Travis. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm going to do a little > experimental > > >>>> work > > >>>> > > > together > > >>>> > > > > > > with > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > Marco > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > with > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goal of enabling a minimal Travis > > build > > >>>> that > > >>>> > > will > > >>>> > > > > run > > >>>> > > > > > > > > python > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > tests. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've verified that Travis will in > fact > > >>>> find a > > >>>> > > bug > > >>>> > > > > > that > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > currently > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master and has been reproduced by > > MacOS > > >>>> > > clients. > > >>>> > > > > > This > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > indicates > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > to > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > me > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adding Travis will add value to our > > CI. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My best guess is that it might take > us > > >>>> some > > >>>> > > > > iteration > > >>>> > > > > > > > > before > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > we > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scalable way to integrate Travis. > > >>>> Given this > > >>>> > > > we're > > >>>> > > > > > > going > > >>>> > > > > > > > > to > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > enable > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Travis > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in non-blocking mode (i.e. failures > > are > > >>>> safe > > >>>> > to > > >>>> > > > > > ignore > > >>>> > > > > > > > for > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > the > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > time > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being). > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To help mitigate the risk of > timeouts, > > >>>> and to > > >>>> > > > > remove > > >>>> > > > > > > > legacy > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > code > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to re-create the travis.yml file > from > > >>>> > > scratch. I > > >>>> > > > > > think > > >>>> > > > > > > > > it'll > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > be > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > much > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confusing if we only have working > code > > >>>> > related > > >>>> > > to > > >>>> > > > > > > Travis > > >>>> > > > > > > > in > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > our > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > codebase, > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so that contributors won't have to > > >>>> experiment > > >>>> > > to > > >>>> > > > > see > > >>>> > > > > > > what > > >>>> > > > > > > > > is > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > or > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working. We've got some great, but > > >>>> slightly > > >>>> > > > > > > out-of-date > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > functionality > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the legacy .travis.yml file. I hope > > we > > >>>> can > > >>>> > > work > > >>>> > > > > > > together > > >>>> > > > > > > > > to > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > update > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > legacy features, ensure they work > with > > >>>> the > > >>>> > > > current > > >>>> > > > > > > folder > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > structure > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also make sure the features run > within > > >>>> > Travis's > > >>>> > > > 45 > > >>>> > > > > > > minute > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > global > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > window. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd also like to set expectations > that > > >>>> this > > >>>> > is > > >>>> > > > > > > strictly a > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > volunteer > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effort. I'd welcome help from the > > >>>> community > > >>>> > > for > > >>>> > > > > > > support > > >>>> > > > > > > > > and > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maintenance. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The model downloading caching work > > >>>> > particularly > > >>>> > > > > > stands > > >>>> > > > > > > > out > > >>>> > > > > > > > > to > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > me > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > as > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something I'd like to re-enable > again > > >>>> as soon > > >>>> > > as > > >>>> > > > > > > > possible. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Kellen > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 11:52 AM > Marco > > de > > >>>> > Abreu > > >>>> > > < > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marco.g.ab...@googlemail.com> > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looks good! +1 > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 10:24 AM, > > >>>> kellen > > >>>> > > > > sunderland > > >>>> > > > > > < > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think most were in favour of > at > > a > > >>>> > minimum > > >>>> > > > > > > creating > > >>>> > > > > > > > a > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > clang > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > build > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > created a PR > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/pull/9330/commits/ > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> 84089ea14123ebe4d66cc92e82a2d529cfbd8b19. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My hope is this will catch many > of > > >>>> the > > >>>> > > issues > > >>>> > > > > > > > blocking > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > OSX > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > builds. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it already caught one issue. If > > >>>> you guys > > >>>> > > are > > >>>> > > > > in > > >>>> > > > > > > > > favour I > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > can > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remove > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WIP and ask that it be merged. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 6:29 PM, > > >>>> Chris > > >>>> > > > Olivier < > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cjolivie...@gmail.com > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope, I have been on vacation. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 9:10 > AM, > > >>>> kellen > > >>>> > > > > > > sunderland < > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope everyone had a good > > >>>> break. Just > > >>>> > > > > wanted > > >>>> > > > > > to > > >>>> > > > > > > > > check > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > if > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thoughts on OSX builds. > > Chris, > > >>>> did > > >>>> > you > > >>>> > > > > have > > >>>> > > > > > > time > > >>>> > > > > > > > > to > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > look > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > virtualizing > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mac OS? Would it make sense > > >>>> for us > > >>>> > to > > >>>> > > > put > > >>>> > > > > > > > > something > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > in > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > place > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interim e.g. the clang > > solution? > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 7:59 > > >>>> PM, de > > >>>> > > > Abreu, > > >>>> > > > > > > Marco > > >>>> > > > > > > > < > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mab...@amazon.com> > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for looking into > > this, > > >>>> > Chris! > > >>>> > > No > > >>>> > > > > > > hurries > > >>>> > > > > > > > > on > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > that > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one, > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we’ll > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > look > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into it next stage when we > > >>>> add new > > >>>> > > > > system- > > >>>> > > > > > > and > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > build-configurations > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CI. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12.12.17, 19:12, "Chris > > >>>> > Olivier" < > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > cjolivie...@gmail.com > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am on vacation > > starting > > >>>> > > Thursday. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 > at > > >>>> 9:49 AM > > >>>> > > > > kellen > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > sunderland < > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> > > >>>> > > > wrote: > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, let's do > > an > > >>>> > > > > investigation > > >>>> > > > > > > and > > >>>> > > > > > > > > see > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > if > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > it's > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > virtualize. Would > you > > >>>> have > > >>>> > > time > > >>>> > > > to > > >>>> > > > > > > look > > >>>> > > > > > > > > into > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > it > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > a > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bit > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further? > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 > > at > > >>>> 6:47 > > >>>> > > PM, > > >>>> > > > > > Chris > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > Olivier > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > < > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cjolivie...@gmail.com> > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don’t get me > wrong, > > >>>> I’m not > > >>>> > > > > saying > > >>>> > > > > > > this > > >>>> > > > > > > > > Mac > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > OS > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jenkins > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doable > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but I feel like we > > >>>> should > > >>>> > > > > > investigate > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > because > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > the > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > payoff > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > large. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 12, > 2017 > > >>>> at > > >>>> > 9:38 > > >>>> > > AM > > >>>> > > > > > Chris > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > Olivier < > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cjolivie...@gmail.com> > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apple’s Darwin > OS > > Is > > >>>> > > recently > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > open-sourced. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > https://github.com/PureDarwin/PureDarwin > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How to convert > > this > > >>>> into > > >>>> > a > > >>>> > > > > > non-GUI > > >>>> > > > > > > > VM I > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > am > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > not > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but I > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > willing to > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bet that people > > >>>> have done > > >>>> > > it > > >>>> > > > > > > already. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 12, > > >>>> 2017 at > > >>>> > > 9:16 > > >>>> > > > AM > > >>>> > > > > > > > kellen > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunderland < > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> > > >>>> > > > > > > wrote: > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> It might be > > >>>> technically > > >>>> > > > > > possible, > > >>>> > > > > > > > but > > >>>> > > > > > > > > I > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > think > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > violate > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MacOS > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> license: > > >>>> > > > > > http://store.apple.com/ > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Catalog/US/Images/MacOSX.htm > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "2. 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