> Shale very deliberately presumes the presence of JSF as a > foundation technology. That means that, among other things, > Shale does not need to reinvent a bunch of technology that > JSF already provides (in particular, managed beans, page > navigation, the request processing lifecycle for form > submits, and value/method binding expressions). > Ironically, Shale itself doesn't care a lot about which > actual JSF components you are using :-). It wants JSF for > its framework capabilities. In turn, this lets the > development of Shale focus on the areas that JSF does not, or > does not yet, cover.
Another interessting thing would looking at Spring Framework and its IoC (aka Dependency Injection) > So far, however, the Struts developers have been unwilling to > make the leap to "assume JSF as a base technology, then build > on top" -- the very assumption that is the foundation to the > whole idea. I also amazed about all the shouts "JSF is dead"... JSF is a standard, that is an important point! Not only for support via tool/server manufacturers Struts(or Shale) is a product. that is also important since products fit (often better) into users demand... standard vs. product? No, products using standards to enlarge them. And not providing *yet another dataTable*-component for JSF. That is the way I understood the Shale proposal. And so I am waiting for your new input (mentioned in [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-)) to give it a try. Matthias > Craig McClanahan > > > On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 01:46:57 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > What is the main pruposal of MyFaces? I see > > > a: the need of an open source implementation of JSF and > > > b: like the idea to implement 'extras' to give the open source > > > implamantation a real meaning to use it *g* > > > > > > In my opinion shale and similar projects are trying to fill a gap > > > for existing applications or programmers which have not the > > > possibility to change to jsf completly. I developed a application > > > for a company with realy many cooperations so struts ore > jsf was no > > > alternative for us because of branding problems and similars. I > > > would realy like to see the focus of the MyFaces on the JSF > > > implementation with performance and stability with the > plus of realy > > > needed or 'neat' components to higher the aceptance. Trying to > > > assimilate the one or other project should be the third > or further > > > focus to get some attention for developers which have not > the chance > > > to decide which technology to use but giving them a plus for the > > > decicionmaker. My opinion is definetly egoistic but i think it is > > > the only chance to deliver extraordinary good code. (even better > > > than sun's (sooorry lars *g* )). > > > > > > It that sense and do not flame me please > > > > > > Carsten Fregin > > > > > > P.S. > > > This is my 11 beer with my investor so please are > mercyfull with my > > > bad english and typos *g* > > > > > > > > > -- > > -Heath Borders-Wing > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >
