Sean,

> I'm confused about your question regarding SerializedView and 
> the spec?  Is SerializedView part of the JSF API?  I don't 
> see it anywhere in sun's javadocs.  Maybe this is something 
> they are using internally in the RI?

I looked at JavaDoc:
http://java.sun.com/j2ee/javaserverfaces/1.1_01/docs/api/javax/faces/app
lication/StateManager.SerializedView.html

Matthias

> I think there is something seriously weird going on here.  I 
> will start investigating this now that I'm putting the 
> finishing touches on forceId.
> 
> sean
> 
> 
> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:36:00 +0100, Matthias Wessendorf 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Kalle and others,
> > 
> > > Just marking JspStateManagerImpl serializable isn't enough to fix 
> > > the problem. When I was working with sourceforge codebase, I 
> > > experimentally hacked and successfully fixed the problem 
> with these 
> > > steps:
> > > - marked ...application.jsp.JspStateManagerImpl Serializable
> > > - marked its private member _renderKitFactory transient
> > > - marked javax.faces.application.StateManager.SerializedView (an 
> > > inner
> > > class) Serializable
> > > - marked its private members _structure and _state transient
> > 
> > I did exactly the same. Now, in my app (which uses server 
> site state) 
> > there is no exception more.
> > 
> > Btw. do this changes break with the spec?
> > Because of JavaDoc @ SUN shows, that SerializedView
> > doesn't implement Serializable interface.
> > 
> > Is it ok to *live* with this workaround, until
> > JSF 1.2 is published?
> > Manfred said:
> > "client and server side state saving will be more compatible and 
> > Serializable problems get addressed."
> > 
> > Thoughts??
> > 
> > 
> > -Matthias
> > 
> > > However, I never made a patch for it, because I seriously 
> doubt that 
> > > making these changes is the correct way of solving the 
> problem. If 
> > > you make the private members transient, it prevents the 
> > > serialization of backing beans in session scope. It might also be 
> > > that backing beans shouldn't be included when the container is 
> > > trying to serialize the session, but not sure.
> > >
> > > I guess the view is stored in session for being able to 
> restore it, 
> > > but when the container is shutting down, it should be 
> removed from 
> > > the session. I don't think it should be serializable at 
> all. About 
> > > the StateManager, I'm not too sure if it should or not.
> > > Surely we shouldn't throw an exception of StateManager not being
> > > Serializable, but I would almost leave some exception 
> there or, better
> > > yet, a descriptive error message, and just force the 
> users to either
> > > configure their containers correctly or deal with it some 
> other way.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Sean Schofield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 3:07 PM
> > > > To: MyFaces Development
> > > > Subject: Re: Exception during server-side state saving
> > > >
> > > > Matthias,
> > > >
> > > > Then it seems like additional classes need to be made 
> > > > Serializable. My application was *very* simple so I didn't run 
> > > > into this problem.
> > > >
> > > > I still think you need my patch b/c if you take it out, it will 
> > > > complain that JspStateManagerImpl can't be serialized.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know enough about MyFaces yet to know why 
> > > > JspStateManagerImpl should be serialized.  I suspect 
> somewhere the 
> > > > code is trying to store it in the session.  The solution is to 
> > > > stop requiring that it be serialized or fix all of the 
> potential 
> > > > things that could be stored in JspStateManagerImpl and 
> make them 
> > > > serializable as well.
> > > >
> > > > I will try to look into it.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > sean
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> >
> 

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