On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote: > Hi, > Thanks for your answer Matthias, you are the coolest possible mentor :) > I have some new questions about the proposal procedure :) > > As a methodology, I want to write "Software prototyping [1]". First step of > this is producing the prototypes, which is not actually coding, right? So,
well, I think it is part of getting the job done.. > is it OK to write prototyping in project schedule between April 30 (1 week > after acceptance announcement) and May 24 (Coding start)? Possible periods > for prototyping: > > Prototyping before April 23 (acceptance announcement): All the GSOC work > should be done within the GSOC period, so this is not an option. correct, that's not good. > Prototyping after May 24(coding starts) Is it too late? > Some time in Community Bonding Period [2](April 23 - May 24) (between > acceptance announcement and coding start) is a cool period for prototyping. > Possible? the page says: <snip> Students get to know mentors, read documentation, get up to speed to begin working on their projects. </snip> => get up to speed is kinda prototyping, once the mentor got in closer contact with the student, and the student started to read/understand the documentation. So IMO "get up to speed to begin working on their projects" sounds like this is the time to do prototyping. > > I don't need to write all components one by one in my proposal, right? This > was my purpose when I started prototyping, but I see the effort of > determining components is also part of the GSOC work. So, I won't write the > possible components into my proposal. Any objection? IMO that's fine. As said before just say that you write an HTML 5 "library" for JSF. Your work will (I think/hope) generate some "framework" (guide), so if you can't finish all components, it will be simple afterwards to continue there. > What do you think about this template schedule? it looks OK. One question => Writing unit tests(3 days) So are you planing to write the tests after you are done ? :) I'd not be too surprised if they kinda like test-driven-development. I do :-) Greetings, Matthias > > Determining which components to implement; prototyping(?); reading docs; get > to know community better(till Coding Starts) > Configuring the project and the builder, creating initial stuff (2-3 days) > Implementing a base library (4 days) > Implementing most of target components : Milestone (till mid-term evaluation > : 6 weeks) > Implementing remainder components (2.5 weeks) > Detailed testing & bugfix (1 week) > Writing unit tests(3 days) > Fixing bugs(3 days) > improve docs(2 days) > Prepare tutorial and presentations(1,5 days) > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_prototyping > [2] > http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline > > Thanks in advance, > Ali > On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <mat...@apache.org> > wrote: >> >> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote: >> > Hi, >> > As you know, I will apply GSOC for "Myfaces HTML5 renderkit" project. >> > Tomorrow, I think it will be announced that ASF is accepted as a GSOC >> > organization (I have no doubt:) ). >> >> actually, same here! >> >> > So, I should speed up preparing my >> > proposal and want to ask some questions. Thanks in advance and I really >> > appreciate your help. >> > >> > I see that some ideas are written at >> > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?mode=hide&requestId=12314021 >> > Should I add HTML5 renderkit project there? Are these only project ideas >> > offered by possible mentors? If so, my mentor (or I) might want to write >> > HTML5 renderkit there. >> > >> > Questions below are related to each other, so you may want to answer >> > them >> > step-by-step in time. >> > >> > Citation from this wiki: >> >> >> >> ASF expects "a list of deliverables, quantifiable results for the >> >> Apache >> >> community, a detailed description / design document, an approach, an >> >> approximate schedule". >> > >> > 1. What should I write about deliverables? Should I write complete list >> > of >> > JSF components? Other than that? >> >> I don't think a list of components is correct. I'd more say that you >> deliver a set >> of components that integrate HTML5 (and standard browser APIs) with >> servers-side >> rendering technology "JavaServer Faces(tm)". Maybe you also say that you >> create >> a kinda (base) framework, so that if you don't catch all HTML5 stuff, it >> is easy >> to continue from your work (to leverage your started work). >> >> Just a thought. >> >> >> > 2. Approach? What will be my approach? Considering this mail (thanks to >> > Leonardo and Jakob), are these good?: >> > A new component set with target HTML5 and JSF 2. >> > Write all possible components, even if duplicates some existing >> > components.(ie hx:inputText, but not hx:form since <form> HTML element >> > is >> > not changed with HTML5) >> > Use myfaces builder plugin >> > Any other stuff? >> >> I'd not say duplicated; Try to "sell" it. >> For instance <input type:text...> has some "build-in" validation >> rules, in HTML5 right? (at least as far as I remember and older WHAT doc). >> So say it like leveraging the new posibility to provide them as JSF >> components. >> You could enhance the maven-plugin, if needed. Not sure if that has an >> impact >> on "needs to be created during summer of code". >> >> > 3. Schedule? Ok, this is related to deliverables and will be answered >> > after >> > question #1. But, there will be midterm evaluations in mid-July. So, >> > IMHO, >> > a milestone would be fine at that time. But what can be the goals and >> > the >> > content of milestone? >> >> -design pages, prototypes, strategies etc ? >> >> >> > >> > 4. Where should I put my proposal? Is >> > http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEVxSITE/GSoC good? You >> > can >> > answer this after announcement of acceptance status of ASF. >> >> let's put it to the myfaces wiki first. We can quickly (after >> polishing things) move >> it to the "right" area. >> >> -Matthias >> >> > >> > I will share my proposal draft with you later. Then we can talk about >> > some >> > details. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Ali >> > >> > -- >> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr >> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Matthias Wessendorf >> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > > > > -- > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr > > -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
