Gj,
Here's some feedback - sorry this got kind of long. The videos aren't so
outdated that I couldn't figure things out, so I just explained the issues I
see. Using NB 11 (running on JDK 12?) instead of NB 8.2 should be a big
improvement on the visuals.
The readme on GitHub explains how to build with 4 different examples:
ant
ant -Dcluster.config=basic
ant -Dcluster.config=full
ant -Dcluster.config=platform
I've used the default and full config versions, but I'm still not sure if it
really matters or even why you'd choose one or the other. More specifics there
would be nice.
The fact that you need to do an Ant build before loading in the IDE is fine,
but unusual. For those used to "clone->open project->build" entirely inside the
IDE, it might help to explain "why" an Ant build is needed prior to loading
into the IDE. ("Won't the IDE do all that for us?") There seems to be some
"magic" happening here from an outsider's perspective.
In the 1st video, you start out in the Favorites tab (which I never really
use). You could show the step to add a favorite which starts at the root of the
cloned "netbeans" folder. That would also eliminate the extra "main" root
folder that the video has (momentary confusion as I was thinking about a
standard Gradle file structure which includes "main", but has nothing to do
with this). This is admittedly nit-picky, so not crucial.
1st video, 1:48:
Platform Modules listed under Modules tab only has one item for me. Hopefully
this is just the way it works now, post JDK 9:
https://imgur.com/a/aVNrnJh
1st video, 2:30:
The Project Properties dialog->Libraries tab starts out very different for me
in NB 11.
https://imgur.com/a/iEeh3oB
However running the project worked fine for me. Despite what the readme says
about build requirements, I didn't need to switch the project's platform from
the default JDK 12 for the module project's properties->Libraries->Java
Platform. (I suspect that may become an issue later on and should be changed to
JDK 8?)
2nd video:
Debugging worked fine, breakpoint was hit.
3rd video, 1:07:
Again only "platform" is listed: https://imgur.com/a/L6WrAgo
Run, debug + breakpoint worked fine.
4th video:
The ide.branding folder doesn't seem to exist anymore, or it was moved. I have
the master branch checked out and I noticed some work is being done on the
splash screen so I guess this is why.
5th video:
Works fine, very nice.
Some general comments:
-It might be useful to talk about what "magic" is going on with these "module"
project types, or point to where more information can be found if it's
documented elsewhere. Is it "injecting" a compiled module? Maybe explain what
"clusters" are and what their purpose is, etc. Good to know a little about
architecture/what's happening under the hood.
-Readme specifies Oracle/OpenJDK 8 as a requirement. I had assumed that the
Azul Systems "Zulu" certified version of JDK 8 would work just fine--it didn't.
This seems to be why I saw some error flags earlier. Oops. (I have lots of JDKs
installed here...)
-If you do updated videos, I suggest putting a link to them on the front page
at apache.org under Participate. Right now the link is on the pull requests
page, and I didn't notice the videos because it's a little out-of-order. You
need to be able to set up and build before even thinking about a PR. So I
didn't bother looking at the PR page for build and setup info, and relied only
on the GitHub/readme at first to get started.
-I use Linux, just in case any of this can't be reproduced and it's OS-related.
Hopefully this helps some. I can provide clarifications or more specifics if
needed. Thanks,
-Lou
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 2:21 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org> wrote:
> OK, it's time to make a new and maybe more complete and simpler version of
> those YouTube videos -- if you can list what should be in that, and what
> was confusing, that will help in putting it together, also what you found
> helpful in the videos.
>
> When you have a moment, but no rush.
>
> Gj
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 9:13 AM Lou H lo...@protonmail.com.invalid wrote:
>
> > Yup, I've gone over it a few times. My concerns were from the video not
> > exactly matching what I was seeing. I believe I've been able to get things
> > working - just a little uncertainty.
> > -Lou
> > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 1:44 AM, Geertjan Wielenga geert...@apache.org
> > wrote:
> >
> > > See the README, always, first:
> > > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/blob/master/README.md
> > > Tells you about how to build.
> > > I'd recommend you then simply open the module you want to work on, make
> > > your changes, and then run that module, which will start up your built
> > > NetBeans and which will install the changed module into it.
> > > Gj
> > > On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:49 AM Lou H lo...@protonmail.com.invalid
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > A few questions/observations:
> > > > 1- How to do the Ant build wasn't mentioned, I did it like this: "ant
> > > > -Dcluster.config=full". Build was done with a user.build.properties file
> > > > inside netbeans/nbbuild containing
> > > > "nbjdk.home=/home/lou/jdk/jdk8u212-b03"
> > > > (latest OpenJDK). Correct?
> > >
> > > > 2- When adding a new NetBeans Platform (around 1:40 in the first
> > > > video), at first the dialog doesn't list any modules. By de-selecting
> > > > and
> > > > re-selecting the built platform it only lists "RCP Platform". Bad?
> > >
> > > > 3- @2:30 (first video), again only a "platform" module is listed, so
> > > > this doesn't look correct. However, I am able to create a new "Module
> > > > Suite" project (3rd video) and it seems to run fine. I've noticed that
> > > > as I
> > > > load new module projects, the list in the platform dialog grows a
> > > > little.
> > >
> > > > 4- Does it matter which JDK is used to run your installed/main NB
> > > > (especially for debugging the dev-NB)?
> > >
> > > > -Lou
> > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > > On Monday, May 20, 2019 4:31 PM, Lou H lo...@protonmail.com.INVALID
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Not sure how I missed that, relying on the GitHub readme too much I
> > > > > guess. I'll take a look, thanks!
> > >
> > > > > -Lou
> > > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > > > On Monday, May 20, 2019 4:27 PM, Patrik Karlström pat...@trixon.se
> > > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > Have a look at
> >
> > http://netbeans.apache.org/participate/build-run-debug-tutorials.html
> >
> > > > > > Den mån 20 maj 2019 kl 22:21 skrev Lou H
> > > > > > lo...@protonmail.com.invalid
> > > > > > :
> > >
> > > > > > > I've been looking for guidelines or instructions on how to set up
> > > > > > > for NB
> > >
> > > > > > > development & debugging (inside NB), but it's difficult to search
> > > > > > > on
> > >
> > > > > > > "compiling/building netbeans within netbeans" without getting hits
> > > > > > > on...
> > >
> > > > > > > everything but that.
> > > > > > > How would you get started setting up a productive dev environment
> > > > > > > &
> > > > > > > workflow? Does it depend on what you're focusing on at the time?
> > > > > > > (Gradle
> > >
> > > > > > > support, JavaFX support, etc.)
> > > > > > > -Lou
> > > > >
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