Yes that confirms what I've gathered so far. Good things to touch on for others getting started. Thanks!
-Lou ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, May 22, 2019 3:10 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks a lot, very useful. > > Build the basic project (mainly, JavaSE features): $ ant > -Dcluster.config=basic > > Build the full project (including Groovy, PHP, JavaEE/JakartaEE, and > JavaScript features): $ ant -Dcluster.config=full > > Build the NetBeans Platform: $ ant -Dcluster.config=platform > > Does the above help? I.e., "platform" is the underlying framework only, > "basic" is "platform" together with the Java SE-related development > features, such as the Java Editor, while "full" is everything, i.e., all > the clusters (which are groups of related modules, which each have a > dedicated folder in your installation directory. > > The reason why doing the Ant build is needed is that you need to have a > binary of NetBeans to deploy your modules-in-development to and that binary > needs to be created and is created during the build, in 'nbbuild/netbeans'. > > Does the above answer some of your questions? > > Gj > > On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 4:34 AM Lou Hamersly [email protected] > wrote: > > > Gj, > > Here's some feedback - sorry this got kind of long. The videos aren't so > > outdated that I couldn't figure things out, so I just explained the issues > > I see. Using NB 11 (running on JDK 12?) instead of NB 8.2 should be a big > > improvement on the visuals. > > The readme on GitHub explains how to build with 4 different examples: > > ant > > ant -Dcluster.config=basic > > ant -Dcluster.config=full > > ant -Dcluster.config=platform > > I've used the default and full config versions, but I'm still not sure if > > it really matters or even why you'd choose one or the other. More specifics > > there would be nice. > > The fact that you need to do an Ant build before loading in the IDE is > > fine, but unusual. For those used to "clone->open project->build" entirely > > inside the IDE, it might help to explain "why" an Ant build is needed prior > > to loading into the IDE. ("Won't the IDE do all that for us?") There seems > > to be some "magic" happening here from an outsider's perspective. > > In the 1st video, you start out in the Favorites tab (which I never really > > use). You could show the step to add a favorite which starts at the root of > > the cloned "netbeans" folder. That would also eliminate the extra "main" > > root folder that the video has (momentary confusion as I was thinking about > > a standard Gradle file structure which includes "main", but has nothing to > > do with this). This is admittedly nit-picky, so not crucial. > > 1st video, 1:48: > > Platform Modules listed under Modules tab only has one item for me. > > Hopefully this is just the way it works now, post JDK 9: > > https://imgur.com/a/aVNrnJh > > 1st video, 2:30: > > The Project Properties dialog->Libraries tab starts out very different for > > me in NB 11. > > https://imgur.com/a/iEeh3oB > > However running the project worked fine for me. Despite what the readme > > says about build requirements, I didn't need to switch the project's > > platform from the default JDK 12 for the module project's > > properties->Libraries->Java Platform. (I suspect that may become an issue > > later on and should be changed to JDK 8?) > > 2nd video: > > Debugging worked fine, breakpoint was hit. > > 3rd video, 1:07: > > Again only "platform" is listed: https://imgur.com/a/L6WrAgo > > Run, debug + breakpoint worked fine. > > 4th video: > > The ide.branding folder doesn't seem to exist anymore, or it was moved. I > > have the master branch checked out and I noticed some work is being done on > > the splash screen so I guess this is why. > > 5th video: > > Works fine, very nice. > > Some general comments: > > -It might be useful to talk about what "magic" is going on with these > > "module" project types, or point to where more information can be found if > > it's documented elsewhere. Is it "injecting" a compiled module? Maybe > > explain what "clusters" are and what their purpose is, etc. Good to know a > > little about architecture/what's happening under the hood. > > -Readme specifies Oracle/OpenJDK 8 as a requirement. I had assumed that > > the Azul Systems "Zulu" certified version of JDK 8 would work just fine--it > > didn't. This seems to be why I saw some error flags earlier. Oops. (I have > > lots of JDKs installed here...) > > -If you do updated videos, I suggest putting a link to them on the front > > page at apache.org under Participate. Right now the link is on the pull > > requests page, and I didn't notice the videos because it's a little > > out-of-order. You need to be able to set up and build before even thinking > > about a PR. So I didn't bother looking at the PR page for build and setup > > info, and relied only on the GitHub/readme at first to get started. > > -I use Linux, just in case any of this can't be reproduced and it's > > OS-related. > > Hopefully this helps some. I can provide clarifications or more specifics > > if needed. Thanks, > > -Lou > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > > On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 2:21 AM, Geertjan Wielenga [email protected] > > wrote: > > > > > OK, it's time to make a new and maybe more complete and simpler version > > > of > > > those YouTube videos -- if you can list what should be in that, and what > > > was confusing, that will help in putting it together, also what you found > > > helpful in the videos. > > > When you have a moment, but no rush. > > > Gj > > > On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 9:13 AM Lou H [email protected] > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Yup, I've gone over it a few times. My concerns were from the video not > > > > exactly matching what I was seeing. I believe I've been able to get > > > > things > > > > > > > working - just a little uncertainty. > > > > -Lou > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > > > > On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 1:44 AM, Geertjan Wielenga > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > See the README, always, first: > > > > > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/blob/master/README.md > > > > > Tells you about how to build. > > > > > I'd recommend you then simply open the module you want to work on, > > > > > make > > > > > > > > your changes, and then run that module, which will start up your > > > > > built > > > > > > > > NetBeans and which will install the changed module into it. > > > > > Gj > > > > > On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:49 AM Lou H [email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > A few questions/observations: > > > > > > 1- How to do the Ant build wasn't mentioned, I did it like this: > > > > > > "ant > > > > > > > > > -Dcluster.config=full". Build was done with a > > > > > > user.build.properties file > > > > > > > > > inside netbeans/nbbuild containing > > > > > > "nbjdk.home=/home/lou/jdk/jdk8u212-b03" > > > > > > > > > (latest OpenJDK). Correct? > > > > > > > > > > > 2- When adding a new NetBeans Platform (around 1:40 in the first > > > > > > video), at first the dialog doesn't list any modules. By > > > > > > de-selecting and > > > > > > > > > re-selecting the built platform it only lists "RCP Platform". Bad? > > > > > > > > > > > 3- @2:30 (first video), again only a "platform" module is listed, > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > this doesn't look correct. However, I am able to create a new > > > > > > "Module > > > > > > > > > Suite" project (3rd video) and it seems to run fine. I've noticed > > > > > > that as I > > > > > > > > > load new module projects, the list in the platform dialog grows a > > > > > > little. > > > > > > > > > 4- Does it matter which JDK is used to run your installed/main NB > > > > > > (especially for debugging the dev-NB)? > > > > > > > > > > > -Lou > > > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > > > > > > On Monday, May 20, 2019 4:31 PM, Lou H [email protected] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Not sure how I missed that, relying on the GitHub readme too > > > > > > > much I > > > > > > > > > > guess. I'll take a look, thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lou > > > > > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > > > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > > > > > > > On Monday, May 20, 2019 4:27 PM, Patrik Karlström > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have a look at > > > > > > > > http://netbeans.apache.org/participate/build-run-debug-tutorials.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Den mån 20 maj 2019 kl 22:21 skrev Lou H > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been looking for guidelines or instructions on how to > > > > > > > > > set up > > > > > > > > > > > > for NB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > development & debugging (inside NB), but it's difficult to > > > > > > > > > search > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "compiling/building netbeans within netbeans" without > > > > > > > > > getting hits > > > > > > > > > > > > on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything but that. > > > > > > > > > How would you get started setting up a productive dev > > > > > > > > > environment & > > > > > > > > > > > > workflow? Does it depend on what you're focusing on at the > > > > > > > > > time? > > > > > > > > > > > > (Gradle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support, JavaFX support, etc.) > > > > > > > > > -Lou > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
