I didn't say anything at all about stability. Only that this is the current hype.
But the main point is -- do we need more people working on the infrastructure of the website? Or do we need more people (any people) working on the content -- that's where the problem is, people (e.g., you?) are not even taking the time to even review the tutorials and provide comments on them. So why would there be people working on the infrastructure -- which we don't need anyone to work on since that is the one and only part of the website that is actually working perfectly -- regardless of the technologies used? OK, let's go ahead and move to this new technology stack. Then.... what? Suddenly people will come with their skills and... they will have nothing to work on because everything is working already? Gj On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 10:01 AM Christian Lenz <[email protected]> wrote: > Gulp and Node next hype and not stable? 😃 Funny. I’m out of the > discussion. > Sry, but I think that you don’t know what you are talking about. IMHO. > > Open your eyes, there is more than only Java 😉. > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > Von: Geertjan Wielenga > Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. Juli 2019 09:29 > An: dev > Betreff: Re: AW: website build system: moving to node/npm? > > Seems scary. :-) Neil and Antonio know how the current system works, and > 'someone else' is the person we're going to need to depend on for a > completely new system that has as its only benefit that the latest hyped > technology stack is used instead of a stable one? Would that direction be > acceptable in your company? > > Gj > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 9:24 AM Christian Lenz <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > ➢ You're for merging the PR and there is someone else who wants to work > on > > ➢ it, if this changes? If what changes? And who is "someone else"? > > > > > > Geertjan, look inside he PR, the guy who created it, is someone else 😉. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > Von: Geertjan Wielenga > > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Juli 2019 23:39 > > An: dev > > Betreff: Re: AW: website build system: moving to node/npm? > > > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 9:14 PM Christian Lenz <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > So I’m for merge and there is someone else who wants to work on it, if > > > this changes. > > > > > > > > > You're for merging the PR and there is someone else who wants to work on > > it, if this changes? If what changes? And who is "someone else"? > > > > Gj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > Von: Antonio > > > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Juli 2019 20:59 > > > An: [email protected] > > > Betreff: Re: AW: website build system: moving to node/npm? > > > > > > Thanks, Chris! > > > > > > So let's await for those "frontend guys" with "> 10 years" of > experience > > > to build a "common frontend stack" so they can "work on the page" with > > > "VuePress, Nuxt, Hugo or Hexo". > > > > > > Meanwhile let's stick with the "guys working on that page" (no matter > > > whether backend or frontend) and let's close PR#375 [1]. > > > > > > As Geertjan suggested, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it...". > > > > > > Thanks again & kind regards, > > > Antonio > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > https://github.com/apache/netbeans-website/pull/375 > > > > > > > > > El 15/7/19 a las 15:30, Christian Lenz escribió: > > > > We only need frontend guys working on that page and there are a lot > of > > > frontend guys out there. There is Nothing half baked. Look at Github > what > > > they have use a more common frontend stack. For me as a frontend > > developer > > > for > 10 Years, it is farly not Java or JBake or JVM whatever. This is > > not > > > a common frontend stack and the case why I didn’t work on the page is > > > exactly that using of the stack. > > > > > > > > We don’t Need Java backend guys working on that page. Just a couple > of > > > frontend guys and I guess david will aslo help here and me too. > > > > > > > > My proposals are: VuePress, Nuxt, Hugo or Hexo. My 2 cents. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Von: Neil C Smith > > > > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Juli 2019 12:50 > > > > An: dev > > > > Cc: Apache NetBeans > > > > Betreff: Re: website build system: moving to node/npm? > > > > > > > > On Mon, 15 Jul 2019 at 11:07, Geertjan Wielenga <[email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> If it ain't broke, don't fix it... > > > >> > > > >> And do we expect lots of people to work on the site just because we > > > switch > > > >> from Gradle to Gulp? Do we need lots of people working on the site, > > > >> especially since everything's working fine the way it is? > > > > > > > > Switching to an equally bespoke and arcane build system in Gulp, no. > > > > Moving to a popular static generator ( https://www.staticgen.com/ ) > > > > and using it in a somewhat standard fashion (which we're not with > > > > JBake as I recall) might be a good move to reduce technical debt. > > > > > > > > If we did stay JVM, then Orchid might be worth looking into, as it > > > > claims both to support JBake configuration and the additional things > > > > we're doing in the custom build process?! > > > > > > > > If someone has a proposal for a JS (or other) SSG that can do the > full > > > > job of what we have now in a standard way then I think it's strongly > > > > worth considering. But it needs to be a complete plan. At my old > > > > company I did take a brief look at Gatsby, but in the end mostly made > > > > use of Jekyll due to the better (at the time) client-side CMS options > > > > - or in other words, there are always other considerations in play! > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
