Excellent news, Kirk. How do we get this done?
Gj On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 17:49, Kirk Pepperdine <k...@kodewerk.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > Again, I believe that you could distribute from Adopt with a JDK bundled. > So maybe this is a case where using a 3rd party makes sense. > > Kind regards, > Kirk > > > > On Nov 28, 2019, at 8:45 AM, Kenneth Fogel <kfo...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca> > wrote: > > > > I apologize if I misunderstood but the conversation appeared to me, > likely incorrectly, to go beyond just bundling a Java JDK. The installers > that are already there, are they downloading a JDK if one is not present? > Requiring a separate install of Java is the status quo. If we could make > that part of the NetBeans installer then we should an we should pursue an > exemption to Apache policies if required. > > > > Ken > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org> > > Sent: November 28, 2019 11:30 AM > > To: dev@netbeans.apache.org > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Dropping Installers from the Release Process > leave that work to Third Party Distributors > > > > You’re aware that we’re already distributing an installer, right? And > that that is not what we’re talking about? > > > > We’re talking about the fact that we can’t bundle the JDK with that > installer and then distribute that installer from Apache. > > > > A simple link on our download page to OpenBeans and AdoptOpenJDK and any > other distributor is all we need, for the installers of NetBeans that > bundle the JDK. > > > > Gj > > > > > > On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 17:20, Kenneth Fogel <kfo...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca> > > wrote: > > > >> This is a bad idea. I personally feel that an installer is mandatory. > >> Eclipse and IntelliJ have installers for all platforms. Leaving it to > >> third parties will mean that we have no oversight on the quality and > >> ease of use of the installer. Only distributing a zip file implies > >> that skills beyond learning to code with NetBeans will be required. We > >> can pretty much write off the education sector if there is no > >> installer. Sorry to be harsh but this is a line I believe we must not > cross. > >> > >> It is unfortunates, as someone has pointed out, that Apache is not end > >> user friendly but that is no excuse. NetBeans is an end user program > >> and must be as easy to install as any other IDE and have an official > installer. > >> > >> Ken > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Laszlo Kishalmi <laszlo.kisha...@gmail.com> > >> Sent: November 27, 2019 2:41 PM > >> To: Apache NetBeans <dev@netbeans.apache.org> > >> Subject: [DISCUSS] Dropping Installers from the Release Process leave > >> that work to Third Party Distributors > >> > >> Dear all, > >> > >> It is a great burden to us to provide the best out-of-the-box install > >> experience with NetBeans. That would mean, providing an installer with > >> JDK, nb-javac probably javafx. > >> > >> See the threads: > >> > >> > >> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/a3e6051130e18aae3f7a81c562a63ac96 > >> d3a3a07d4bcbee074392d59@%3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E > >> > >> > >> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/489f17e30d9125ee48e2d78dc36572db6 > >> a3f5d6474f492458e0db151@%3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E > >> > >> On 11/26/19 9:29 PM, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote: > >>> > >>> Dear all, > >>> > >>> I try to summary the lengthy threads about bundling OpenJDK GPL+CPE > >>> with Apache NetBeans. > >>> > >>> There are mainly two readings of GPL+CPE: > >>> > >>> 1. OpenJDK (GPL+CPE) + NetBeans (Apache) = Executable which can be > >>> distributed under Apache license, due to CPE 2. CPE only allows > >>> other product built on Java to be distributed > >>> under their own license. > >>> > >>> As I'm not a lawyer, I cannot answer which interpretation is correct > >>> (maybe none of them). ASF has every right to regard the second > >>> interpretation, thus GPL+CPE ended up in the Category-X licenses. > >>> > >>> The following viable possibilities were brought up: > >>> > >>> 1. We may apply for an exception to the board 2. Use some download > >>> logic in the installer. > >>> 3. Leave the binary packaging and distribution to third parties. > >>> > >>> Regarding that there are interest from third parties to built on > >>> Apache NetBeans, I'm going to recommend the PMC to select a few > >>> distributor for creating installer packages and we limit/drop our > >>> installer bundle creation in the future. > >>> > >>> Thank you, > >>> > >>> Laszlo Kishalmi > >>> > >> > >> I do not think that after this discussion we would get the exception > >> from the board Geertjan might try to bring it up there as well. > >> > >> As of me option 2 is questionable. > >> > >> Option 3. is a bit hard to say, but if we can't produce proper > >> installation packages, it would probably better to not create those > >> packages at all, leave that for others. > >> > >> How I imagine that: > >> > >> 1. From 11.3 we remove the convenience binaries and installers from > >> our download page > >> 2. We would still create, sign and host our nbm-s. > >> 3. On our download page we have the source package and a section for > >> third party distributors. > >> > >> Well of course this thread is just to start a discussion about this > >> matter. I know it would hurt the brand, but probably it is better than > >> produce some sub-optimal installers while other parties can come with > >> all the bells and whistles. > >> > >> Thank you, > >> > >> Laszlo Kishalmi > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > >
