I’m really hoping that no one at Oracle reads these mails of yours — people there are working incredibly hard on NetBeans and have done so for many years.
Your best follow up action to this discussion would be to actually provide one pull request. Just one. Thanks, Gj On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 12:08, Christian Lenz <[email protected]> wrote: > Geertjan tell me where you think NetBeans is innovative or made > innovation. Yes, I agree with the Matisse editor, but also buggy if you > want to make your GUI pixel perfect and yes I created tickets for that. So > if you want to say hey we made the best swing GUI editor, it should be > still valid to say that and should be maintained where you could be proud > of. And please use a comparison with other major IDEs. What is that big > thing where we can say: Yes, this is coming from NetBeans initially. > > Why a lot of companies are using JetBrains IDEs? Because they are more > productive with it. This is for real true. Everywhere I hear: I use > intelliJ or whatever. From 50 developers, round about 2 or 3 are using > NetBeans and if they are coming to the limit, everyone switched to another > IDE. Talk to people at developer conferences, etc. from 100 people maybe 10 > will say: Yes, I use and love NetBeans and there is a but… > > What big company, except from Oracle helped NetBeans to make them bigger > and better and still do it? Google did this for eclipse until they used > JetBrains product. Which one did this for NetBeans? What does NASA or boing > for NetBeans? It is the very same as when I create a JS framework and no > one cares, because no one is behind me and I have no innovation then they > will use React, Angular or Vue. I also no such a framework, where 2 > developers started with the idea of web components years ago where > angularjs didn’t exist. I can tell you what happened with the framework, it > is dead and removed from within in the company with other technologies, > that everyone knows. And this happened with NetBeans too. NetBeans started > with the concept of adding syntax highlighting for languages easy with NBS > (NetBeans Scripting support). What happend, nothing. Nowadays we using > textmate which is very cool widely supported and maintained. I can remember > of some other big ideas coming from NetBeans and most of them where just > discussed (under Oracle) and nothing happened after the paper was created. > Yes everything can be possible if you do everything for it and also we need > help from big players. > > There is a lot of stuff that is open source, but also big players behind > it make them better. Facebook for react and react native, because they use > it internally too. Google for angular and and and. I think the most of you > are in little comfort zone where you don’t need a lot of stuff. But not for > the rest of us. > > Here are some innovations from others (My personal wow effects): > - LSP was originally developed for Microsoft Visual Studio Code and > Eclipse created a Java package out of it afaik. > - JetBrains: > - created SQL to MongoDB by there own. So if you are coming from an > SQL background and maybe you don’t want to use JS to call the mongo DB > documents and you don’t understand it from the beginning. It is a helping > tool, where you still can write your queries in SQL and it will map it to > JS code and executes it. This is so much a wow effect you can’t believe. > Why are you not seeing such things or trying to deny them like: ahh yeah no > one needs it. > > - easy reader mode for comments, where you see a different format of > the comments above methods or wherever. Makes it natuarl to read. Little > but nice. > > - light edit mode, where you can open files as fast as possible > without project opening, indexing etc. For this NetBeans needs to know that > they don't need to do the full stuff and no, it is not possible with > NetBeans. Yes you can open files with NetBeans but it opens the whole IDE > and takes seconds/minutes. It must be the same performance as opening a > file in notepad or VS Code and this is done in intelliJ with the light edit > mode. If you need full support, no problem you can activate it. > > - new font for developers. > > - and and and > > Yes I know that things change when it gets open source and away from a > company and also you can see big companies are contributing a lot to there > own products even if it is open source, because of there own interests. I > think Oracle has no big interests for NetBeans so they are just making it > compatible for JDK and thats it. A couple of cool plugins where made the > last years and everytime I see that the original developers creating the > plugins for VS Code also for IntelliJ which is Java so they are doing it > and maybe sometimes for eclipse too. Often the developers say oh I thought > NetBeans is dead. Maybe we will think about to create a plugin for them > too. You can count how many times that happened. > > Last thing for you Brain, VS code is real open source and free. I believe > that there are some packages down there where you can’t have a look into. > For example I know one plugin which is the live share plugin which is > awesome and I wanted to migrate it to NetBeans, w/o luck, because the code > is not open source but I wanted to use their infrastructure. But afaik > there is no price tag at all. But for Sublime they have two versions or > just a dialog that randomely pops up with: hey please pay for it. > > Also I asked a lot for help, also here and everything that I got is: look > into the code. Oh really? So it is the same when you hire someone and give > them a chair and say: so here look into the code and try to understand it. > Any questions? Just look into the code and playing around. What politics is > that? No it is more: If you get stuck please talk to me anytime and we will > figure it out together. When I’m asking for help then I’m stuck with code > that I don’t understand and I can’t play with it, due to no understanding > at all. I also googled a lot, I have a book at home from a friend about > NetBeans Platform 7 yes it is old I know, I got it years ago. Also no > answers for my problems there. So sometimes I just need a hint which needs > to be more than: Just look into the code. > And yes I really want to helping and contributing to NetBeans to fit my > needs and other needs. But for this, I need help in different areas of the > code base from the original developers of NetBeans or from those who knows > NetBeans as their best friend. > > That's it for now. I'm sorry, when some of the words are harsh maybe, > please don't take it to serious. I'm just frustrated once again with > NetBeans and the code base and the politics behind that. But maybe one of > you thinks about the words a bit deeper in your freetime and can understand > me a bit. Thx. > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > Von: Thomas Hubschman > Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Dezember 2020 09:48 > An: [email protected] > Betreff: Re: VSNetBeans, future of NetBeans and personal words > > H > >
