I would argue that we note the Swift dependency on the downloads section, as 
you suggest John, and encourage users to get current or use the binary. I 
appreciate some have really great reasons for holding onto older versions, but 
WWDC is only 3 months away and that usually heralds a new version, likely 12.0.

Chris


> On 24 Mar 2021, at 08:34, John Mc <mcdonnell.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry note in the downloads page to either use the binary or install Swift
> 5...
>
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 at 08:33, John Mc <mcdonnell.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Is there a need to fix this issue?
>>
>> I'd assume most users, probably are using Catalina or BigSur(I'm still
>> avoiding that upgrade) - could we provide a note in the download section to
>> say users still in Mojave, should look at using the binary?  It seems that
>> every year Apple mark another release as no longer supported, next up is
>> Mojave and that could be anywhere in Q3 or Q4 this year...
>>
>> For the numbers of people that might be affected, is it worth providing a
>> workaround in 12.4? - I wouldn't even know where to begin here...
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 at 15:50, Christian Oyarzun <c...@oyarzun.net> wrote:
>>
>>> It looks like the Swift5 runtime libraries need to be installed for macOS
>>> prior to 10.14.4.
>>>
>>> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.apple.com%2Fkb%2Fdl1998%3Flocale%3Den_US&amp;data=04%7C01%7CChris.Luff%40cerner.com%7Cacb3078920e846ae723708d8ee9faa61%7Cfbc493a80d244454a815f4ca58e8c09d%7C0%7C0%7C637521716816231625%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=3Yy0qRaMq%2BQHx%2FLWPioFF1V0KffuHSVzfFn5U6BRPB4%3D&amp;reserved=0
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>>> What would be the best way to deal with this, in terms of licensing? Have
>>> the installer check and provide a download?
>>>
>>> --Christian
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 11:14 AM Neil C Smith <neilcsm...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 at 15:07, Geertjan Wielenga
>>>> <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Fair enough.
>>>>
>>>> I've added links to the GitHub PRs to the JIRA issue, and linked the
>>>> original related issue.
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> We potentially need a better way of testing installers before
>>>> release?!  The 12.4 change will limit the use of Swift by using the
>>>> standard launcher script - interesting to see if the problem remains
>>>> then.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Neil
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