On 7/12/2021 2:58 AM, Jeremy Cavanagh wrote:
So what you're saying is there are liars involved in the project?
No. I said
we could have a philosophical discussion on where
spin/misdirection/omission/forgetting becomes a lie
My point was that NetBeans is too big for its current, all volunteer,
team; and, at least to me, it doesn't feel like that's acknowledged and
accounted/planned for. There was a recent suggestion that newbie work
should have 3 committers mentor the work from start to finish; sounds
good, and I think that would reduce the number of outstanding PRs since
there would be far fewer.
Seems like no one agreed with (or perhaps didn't understand (probably I
was unclear)) what I was saying; the other comment seemed to think I was
asking for something to be worked on. (and I just don't learn to not
comment... I have reined it in considerably)
-ernie
Anyway I'd rather have a naive and wholesome view of the project. I
fully appreciate that in the past there was money behind the project
and now there isn't, but, if people just give up on it what an
incredible waste.
As for maintenance I'm personally going through the old code working
on reformatting and tidying things up, updating the code (starting
with Platform) using the IDE itself to guide me.
Now, I'm doing this for personal reasons. There are things I would
like to look at improving but I can't and never have been able to
understand the totally illogical and random formatting used in Java.
I've come from a structured programming era and don't know why Java
went in the direction they did. After all, it is just a block
structured language with some fancy bits attached.
So far I've been at it for nearly a month and a half several hours a
day (done 53 of 89 packages). I don't know how much longer I'll be but
I feel it is worth doing, and given that I'm over retirement age it's
good for my brain.
After finishing with platform, I hope to then do ide and Java. Maybe
then I'll have unearthed the parts I'm looking for. After that comes
the big problem of testing everything. As I complete each of these
clusters I'll stick them on GitHub and then people can comment, advise
on how to proceed.
Well I expect you're all bored by now.
Kindest regards to all those working and contributing to this great
project.
Jeremy Cavanagh
On 11/07/2021 22:17, Ernie Rael wrote:
On 7/11/2021 11:15 AM, Jeremy Cavanagh wrote:
... reason people are asked to join the group ... improve the
NetBeans IDE ... There are no liars here ...
That's naive.
I suppose we could have a philosophical discussion on where
spin/misdirection/omission/forgetting becomes a lie.
Sadly the project does not have the resources for general
maintenance, let alone general improvement; the expertise/energy
seems no longer available for older stuff. Some people put in a lot
of work and their efforts seem to be for naught.
I'm not saying that there aren't people who do yeoman's work. But a
realistic view of the project feels lacking, or maybe that's just the
public forums.
-ernie
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: NB and JDK 17 - OpenJDK Quality Outreach
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 20:14:10 +0200
From: Jeremy Cavanagh <jeremy.cavan...@orange.fr>
To: Ty Young <youngty1...@gmail.com>
Hi Ty Young,
There's no need to be rude. The reason people are asked to join the
group is to get involved and help provide solutions which will
improve the NetBeans IDE. To the benefit of *all* users. It is not a
club, nore is it an agony column where you turn up with problems and
expect immediately soothing solutions.
Also, you need to remember that this is *not* a commercial
enterprise people work on the project because they believe in it and
enjoy it.
There are no liars here, only friendly helpful people that are
prepared to put up with idiots like me. Furthermore, nobody forced
you to join. Did they?
Regards
Jeremy Cavanagh
On 11/07/2021 17:30, Ty Young wrote:
I'm aware the sky is blue and water is wet, thanks. You had said
that JDK 17 was being worked on. Clearly that was a lie. What's the
point of forcing people to join a dev list just so you tell them this?
Netbeans has never technically supported in-dev builds but they've
always generally worked. What's going on here?
On 7/11/21 12:18 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
Indeed, NetBeans does not support JDK 18 (also not JDK 17) at this
stage.
Gj
On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 at 04:12, Ty Young <youngty1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
Hi,
I use JDK 18 builds of Project Panama[1] that Netbeans does not work
properly with. All classes with JDK 18 have errors with the package
statement claiming that:
Cannot access java.lang
Fatal Error: Unable to find package java.lang in classpath or
bootclasspath.
This happens even on the "dev" builds of Netbeans[2]. My JavaFX
application and all dependency projects compile and run fine. Code
completion and import suggestions are broken, Netbeans views some
imports as unused when they are being used, and symbols(classes) are
marked as "cannot be found" even though they have imports.
[1] https://github.com/openjdk/panama-foreign. Technically PR source
here:
https://github.com/mcimadamore/panama-foreign/tree/handle_address
[2] https://ci-builds.apache.org/job/Netbeans/job/netbeans-linux/
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