+1 On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 7:36 PM Brad Walker <bwal...@musings.com> wrote:
> +1 > > -brad w. > > > > On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 4:39 AM Neil C Smith <neilcsm...@apache.org> wrote: > > > As mentioned elsewhere, I'm kicking off a process to bring this issue > > to a decision. For various reasons, having a decision before we > > branch off NB18 is desirable. I've drawn up a draft proposal (below) > > that tries to encompass most of what has been expressed, and hopefully > > achieves that - thanks to those who have already given feedback in its > > iteration. > > > > This thread will be active for 7 days. Expressions of support and > > disagreement welcomed. In particular, if you -1 please offer an > > alternative to all or part of this proposal that you're able to help > > implement. We should try and reach a consensus position that removes > > any block. If after the 7 days we cannot do this, then we move to a > > vote on this with any agreed amendments. > > > > See also the page at > > https://community.apache.org/committers/consensusBuilding.html > > > > Thanks, Neil > > > > ==================================================================== > > > > # Proposed policy > > > > * Apache NetBeans 18 will be the last release to support running the > > platform on JDK 8. > > > > * From Apache NetBeans 19, the minimum JDK required to build and run > > the IDE or platform will be JDK 11. > > > > * Future releases will take an "LTS-1" strategy for building and > > running (and CI testing) of the IDE and platform. Three JDKs will be > > supported at any one time - the current JDK, plus the previous two LTS > > releases. eg. NetBeans 20 and 21 (Nov 2023 / Feb 2024) will support > > JDK 11, 17 and 21. NetBeans 22 (May 2024) will support JDK 17, 21 and > > 22. > > > > ## Background > > > > The Apache NetBeans IDE has officially required JDK 11 to build and > > run since NetBeans 13 in March 2022. The platform (and unofficially > > the IDE) have continued to support running on JDK 8 - all modules > > requiring a higher JDK must currently be optional. Various tests have > > continued on JDK 8. > > > > This situation is causing issues as workarounds must be found for > > currently non-optional features that have dependencies or other > > requirements for running on a higher JDK (eg. Maven indexing / Lucene > > [1]). It's causing delays, complications and missed testing time in > > integration of new features (eg. problems merging support for EE 10 > > [2]). Supporting an increasing range of JDKs is causing increasing > > workload, both for people and CI. Meeting the challenges of deprecated > > (for removal) features in the JDK is also complicated by the > > additional JDK requirements. > > > > ## Notes > > > > * Apache NetBeans users will continue to be recommended to use the > > current or latest LTS JDK to run the IDE. The IDE will continue to > > support users developing projects for/with JDK 8, for as long as > > nb-javac and other dependencies allow. > > > > * This proposal specifically doesn't address when the default bytecode > > level across the codebase is increased. This can happen when required, > > but non-optional modules would be free to adopt the minimum JDK as > > they need to. > > > > * Optional modules may continue to require a runtime JDK higher than > > the minimum. Should it become necessary, build time optional modules > > might be considered - eg. a build on the minimum JDK may exclude > > modules that will not run on that JDK at runtime. > > > > * Some modules that are of independent use (eg. lookup, utilities, > > etc.) might be nominated and advertised to continue JDK 8 support for > > the time being. This is not expected to cover the runtime container as > > a whole - > https://netbeans.apache.org/tutorials/nbm-runtime-container.html > > > > * Once NetBeans 19 is released, the NetBeans 18 release branch could > > be used to backport and release JDK 8 supporting fixes, subject to any > > PMC members wanting to manage those releases. > > > > * The term "platform" is used in reference to the whole framework of > > modules that we release (eg. via Maven), not just the platform > > cluster. > > > > [1] https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/4999 > > [2] https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/4692 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > >
