Hi Geertjan, I think it is a step back but ok to remove the forum. Sure we have maling lists, Slack, stackoverflow but to have a forum should not be a Problem today.
Anyway, we can discuss it on a new thread if necessary. Only to let you know, what I think and what I see. Forums around the world still active and are made for users and user questions. But as I said, if necessary, we can dicuss it on an other thread. Cheers Chris Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10 Von: Geertjan Wielenga Gesendet: Montag, 27. November 2017 15:12 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. Hi Chris, I feel your pain. :-) However, we are going to simply have to compromise in some areas -- and one of these is the forums. Moving to a foundation like Apache means compromising on some points and compromising means sometimes not getting what you would ideally want. So far, we have everything plus more in many areas. Apache has been immensely supportive and the help we've been given has been far more than I had expected. So, now it's our turn to compromise -- no forums. Gj On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Christian Lenz <christian.l...@gmx.net> wrote: > I read the text and IMHO to not have a Forum is in my perspective not an > Option. As you can see the Forum is still active, for the users you ask > questions. Not everyone will join the Mailing lists. If there is no > replacement in Apache, is there a Problem to move the Forum over to Apache > too? > > Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10 > > Von: Geertjan Wielenga > Gesendet: Montag, 27. November 2017 14:03 > An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. > > OK, here's the final draft of the e-mail we'll send to all NetBeans.org > mailing lists: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/ > ending+...@netbeans.org+mailing+lists > > There's a danger that at may end up being too long and so maybe not > everyone will read all of it. :-) > > We'll send it to all NetBeans.org mailing lists, to the NetBeans forum, > we'll make an announcement on NetBeans.org, we'll post it as an article on > JAXenter, we'll tweet it, we'll put it on Facebook. > > And we'll repeat it all over again a few times in the upcoming weeks -- at > some point, we'll have done all we can to announce this and then there'll > still be those that didn't get the news. But we'll have done our best and > that's the price we pay for working on an awesome project with a massive > worldwide community. > > Feedback still welcome, from this point we're going to wait 24 hours for > final feedback and then we'll send it out after that. > > Thanks, > > Gj > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Jiří Kovalský <jiri.koval...@oracle.com> > wrote: > > > Dne 27.11.2017 v 11:28 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a): > > > >> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Christian Lenz <christian.l...@gmx.net > > > >> wrote: > >> > >> IMHO it would be better to Keep the Mailing list until everyone or at > >>> least we, migrated all or most of the tickets from bugzilla to JIRA, > >>> because the users from the Mailing lists, gets notifications for > changes > >>> in > >>> the tickets. > >>> > >> > >> I think we should keep the discussion re bug tracker separate from the > >> mailing list discussion. > >> > > > > +1 > > > > -Jirka > > > > Cheers > >>> > >>> Chris > >>> > >>> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10 > >>> > >>> Von: Ludovic HOCHET > >>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. November 2017 17:53 > >>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > >>> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists. > >>> > >>> The email looks good to me. > >>> By the way, should the README.md "Get in touch" section be adjusted > >>> along the same lines? > >>> (remove the direct mails and point to the archives?) > >>> > >>> On 26 November 2017 at 11:19, Geertjan Wielenga > >>> <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Here is the e-mail that will be sent out during this week, to all the > @ > >>>> netbeans.org mailing lists, with the edits and additions provided in > >>>> > >>> this > >>> > >>>> thread incorporated into it: > >>>> > >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.a > >>>> pache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXC > >>>> gaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2 > >>>> xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7 > >>>> vvOgU&s=c4LEwe0c9UXCCKrlH02S2BBrFxAx7c33tC58IQt1j1w&e= > >>>> > >>> ending+...@netbeans.org+mailing+lists > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> > >>>> Gj > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < > >>>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma <a...@douma.nu> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list > >>>>>> should *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to > >>>>>> users-subscr...@netbeans.apache.org or > dev-subscribe@netbeans.apache. > >>>>>> > >>>>> org > >>> > >>>> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Good point, thanks. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Maybe also helpful to remark that you can anonymously browse the mail > >>>>>> archives via https://urldefense.proofpoint. > >>>>>> com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.apache.org_list&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1 > >>>>>> YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3Iehh > >>>>>> QKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9- > >>>>>> HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=TdXSUCVKlyVmiqXLGBNknsAI6VfjHKHJL4mHm_tL-e8&e=. > >>>>>> > >>>>> html?us...@netbeans.apache.org > >>> > >>>> and https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.a > >>>>>> pache.org_list.html-3Fdev-40netbeans.apache.org&d=DwIFaQ&c=R > >>>>>> oP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3I > >>>>>> ehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9- > >>>>>> HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=i4tEiAOWrUEYwPVraLIK8UnTRlZ3YK9hSdQg0xH5gtY&e= > >>>>>> > >>>>>> All this typically is/should be documented already on the website, > but > >>>>>> as we don't have any real (ASF) content yet at netbeans.apache.org > >>>>>> new > >>>>>> users easily will get lost. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Yup. In the meantime, and in addition, this is also listed here: > >>>>> > >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.a > >>>>> pache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_How-2Bto-2BParticipate > >>>>> &d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_ > >>>>> Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn > >>>>> 9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=5BYp11L_3jCM_daAFMyiR8AmZX2A8m > >>>>> 3KydznZXgUGxo&e= > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Gj > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> I think the website really needs to get priority attention, also > >>>>>> > >>>>> because > >>> > >>>> otherwise there is no place to communicate and provide the download > >>>>>> links for the current HTML/Java API and upcoming platform > releases... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ate > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 2017-11-23 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> mailing > >>> > >>>> lists, e.g., nbus...@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> netbeans.org > >>> > >>>> mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> on > >>> > >>>> the > >>>>>>> Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who > have > >>>>>>> managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we > >>>>>>> send > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning > of > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> next > >>> > >>>> week. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> Mailing > >>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> Lists and Forum" > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Text: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation > process, > >>>>>>>> you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> already. > >>> > >>>> You > >>>>>>>> should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache > for > >>>>>>>> purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache > NetBeans. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1st, > >>> > >>>> 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are > >>>>>>>> archived > >>>>>>>> at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> where > >>> > >>>> possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> lists, > >>> > >>>> and > >>>>>>>> everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev ( > >>>>>>>> dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user ( > >>>>>>>> us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for > >>>>>>> Java, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> those > >>> > >>>> using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will > >>>>>>>> use > >>>>>>>> the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out > >>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>> too > >>>>>>>> many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing list, a > >>>>>>>> separate > >>>>>>>> Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The Apache > >>>>>>>> NetBeans > >>>>>>>> @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working > on > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> the > >>> > >>>> development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to > >>>>>>>> promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e., > >>>>>>>> forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement > for > >>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>> — Apache projects work with mailing lists only. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re > >>>>>>>> encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to > the > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> @ > >>> > >>>> netbeans.org mailing lists anymore. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Kind regards, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Geertjan & Jirka > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @ > >>>>>>> netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Gj and Jirka > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Ludovic > >>> ----------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> "Les formes qui differencient les etres importent peu > >>> si leur pensees s'unissent pour batir un univers..." > >>> Yoko Tsuno (in 'Les titans' by Roger Leloup) > >>> [The shapes that differenciate beings are not important > >>> if their thoughts unite to build a universe] > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >
