Dear all,
I've created a JIRA Dashboard to be able to see where are we now.
Actually JIRA is not that bad if you start to use it well. I'd share my
dashboard if you find that useful, though I do not have the rights for
it now, so I've attached a screenshot of that.
Just some short stats on the open issues: We have 571 issues already in
the JIRA 526 of them are not assigned to anyone. Also we have 43 open
issues with PR-s.
The sad thing is that we have 4 blocker and 19 critical issues with no
responsible persons.
If someone has no time to code, just trying to test/reproduce and
clarify these issues would make a tremendous contribution to the project.
As of catching up with other IDEs. Good and detailed feature requests
are welcome into the JIRA and on a mail thread as well.
On 04/20/2018 03:12 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
“25 days and nothing” — yes, that’s how it’s going to be for a while until
we are a real Apache project, whereas right now we’re in process moving
from Oracle to Apache. Though note you’re going to always be responsible
for making your own party — if you provide a PR or issue and no one
responds, create a new discussion thread here, i.e., new from scratch, to
discuss it.
Gj
On Saturday, April 21, 2018, Christian Bourque <christian.bour...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I have to agree with Gili...
Sometimes it feels that nobody cares... I created a ticket a month ago
about an improvement in the NetBeans Git integration and decided to code it
myself.
Then I submitted a PR and eventually the reviewing process started. But the
reviewer has had many objections to my request (which is perfectly fine). I
told him that the Eclipse JGit library was OSGi based and that it had
external dependencies that were triggered during the bootstrapping of
NetBeans. I even contacted the Eclipse team to tell them that one of their
OSGi dependencies wasn't even used in their JGit library, the lead
developer realized that it was a mistake and he fixed it!
After that, I sent more questions and comments to the reviewer to
understand how I could resolve the remaining issues in an acceptable way,
but to no avail. The reviewer just stopped answering my questions! Now it's
been 25 days and nothing... So, I put a lot of time into this for what at
the end?
I don't think that this is how you're going to attract new developers to
contribute to this project...
Christian
On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 1:36 PM, cowwoc <cow...@bbs.darktech.org> wrote:
I did. Multiple times.
One of the issues I brought up was the copy/paste bug I linked to below.
When I brought it up in the mailing list in the past I got no replies.
That issue (and its linked counterparts) are very annoying (for obvious
reasons). I suspect no one else is experiencing this problem because it
seems too major to ignore.
Gili
On 2018-04-20 1:21 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
Rather than filing hundreds of issues, I recommend you pick one, just
one,
and open a discussion thread around that. Once people have seen and
discussed your issue on the mailing list, probably one of those will
volunteer to tix it.
Gj
On Friday, April 20, 2018, cowwoc <cow...@bbs.darktech.org> wrote:
This is precisely the kind of fixes I'm talking about. I understand that
IntelliJ has many features that Netbeans does not, but I'm primarily
focused on improving the *core* development functionality (this is
because
it impacts all other project types). We've got many of the pieces in
place,
but UI problems make that functionality annoying/slow to use.
Specifically
on the point of 4k monitors, I keep on saying that it is impossible to
copy/paste correctly: https://issues.apache.org/
jira/browse/NETBEANS-235
(see linked issues as well)
I have already filed thousands of issues before (literally), but those
got
flushed down the drain when we migrated to Apache. I've already filed
some
issues in Apache JIRA but for now there hasn't been much movement
(committers are understandably working on their own issues before
looking
at other people's issues). Nothing personal against you guys but I
don't
have the time/energy to re-file all those bug reports. Family
emergencies
are keeping me super busy nowadays and frankly I don't see the point of
doing all this work until I see some movement on the issues that I
already
filed.
Gili
On 2018-04-20 10:20 AM, John Leon wrote:
I have been compiling a list myself of things I wanted to improve with
NetBeans as a relatively new user. I'll share them here, but I will
also
keep an eye out for the Wiki page that Wade is going to make and try
to
contribute there. Here are some of the examples I had in my list:
- The Wizard dialog is always too small and I have to resize the
window
to read everything. I want to make it remember the size of the
last
Wizard
window. (This was going to be my first real plugin attempt)
- The Project Groups menu item should have a sub-menu listing
project
groups in addition to the existing dialog window. This would
allow
someone
to go File->Project Groups->My Project X directly, and only open
the
"project group manager" window if you need to add/modify groups.
(Very
minor convenience improvement)
- Better 4k monitor support (right now requires fiddling with
dpiaware
and font size, sometimes images are scaled and pixelated still)
- Can't run Windows command prompt in the Terminal
- Add more padding/borders to the Darcula L&F as it feels crowded
to
me
- With some L&F Some status bar/tooltips
- Right click a file/folder -> Open in Explorer (Think this is a
optional 3rd party plugin only currently)
On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 7:49 AM, Christian Lenz <
christian.l...@gmx.net
wrote:
Some other People say that, better indexing with NB over IntelliJ but
I
can say sometimes yes and sometimes not. I can say what I tested was
the
go
to file and this is often clunky in NetBeans or the quick search is
not
that fast over intelliJ and and and. Open Options Needs some MS to
open
etc. So I can say that the Performance of IntelliJ is way better in
different cases than in NetBeans. I will add some comparisions too.
So NetBeans is my full enviroment for almost everything what NetBeans
can
handle for hopefully for more in the future and yes I can feel the
indexing
Problem too, what Wade mentioned. For Code completion, for go to
whatever,
searching etc.
Cheers
Chris
Von: Geertjan Wielenga
Gesendet: Freitag, 20. April 2018 13:56
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: IntelliJ IDEA vs Netbeans
Deklunkification on indexing and performance levels can be done with
the
code currently in Apache NetBeans Git. Jaroslav Tulach will have
insights
as well as gratitude for help in this area, while note that indexing
and
performance have subjective aspects, e.g., even in this thread
there’s
a
preference expressed of NetBeans over IntelliJ in relation to
performance.
Gj
On Friday, April 20, 2018, Wade Chandler <wadechand...@apache.org>
wrote:
On Fri, Apr 20, 2018, 04:49 Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
Deklunkifyng NetBeans was never a big goal in Oracle though now, in
Apache,
this really seems a doable target and one we can work on together.
Many
deklunkification tasks are probably quite trivial. How best to
tackle
this
and who will take the lead in beginning to list these? Any
deklunking
I
am
able to implement I will implement, just provide a very specific
list
and
we’ll form a NetBeans deklunking taskforce.
+1 this has been my goal with the move to Apache, and once we get
more
of
the other bits over plan to try to tackle much of it. I love
"Deklunkification Taskforce"!
My biggest item I plan to look at is the indexing which blocks some
things,
and impacts performance. It is really as far as I can tell the main
performance difference as it has impacts on the editor and other UI
actions.
I much more prefer the integration of NB with the tools project
support
versus rolling our own. The classpath and build differences can
really
be a
bear sometimes when having differences between the two, and builds or
executions work in one side, but not the other.
So, I find this a strength of NB, as I have helped team members over
the
years with such issues in other environments.
I will create a page in the Wiki later if nobody else has; right
now I
must
get ready for CodeStock!
Wade
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